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« on: Sep 24, 2017, 05:50PM »

I an boycotting the NFL for behavior that I consider to be an affront to every American. I'm talking about the NFL allowing or even encouraging football players to show public disrespect for the National Anthem and the American flag. This behavior isn't about racism, or about protesting President Trump. It's an insult to all the forebears who built the country that is responsible for their prosperity. Free speech may give the NFL to right to behave in this manner, but it also gives me the right, no the obligation, to condemn them in the strongest possible terms for their failure to show respect for their country. If they have no such patriotism, then maybe they are in the wrong country. Maybe they should see if they can find a better one somewhere else. I've been to many "somewhere elses" and it taught me a deep appreciation for what we have in America. I'm grateful for every opportunity to salute my Flag and stand for my National Anthem.
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 24, 2017, 05:58PM »

I'm glad you see that it's their right.

I'm not sure I understand why you don't see their reasoning.
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 24, 2017, 05:59PM »

Sad!
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 24, 2017, 06:05PM »

I'm glad you see that it's their right.

I'm not sure I understand why you don't see their reasoning.

I am open to trying to understand an explanation for their reasoning. Please explain to me how their behavior benefits any worthwhile cause. No wait, please first explain to me what their cause is.
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 24, 2017, 06:08PM »

CharlieB, are you aware that the First Amendment to the Constitution allows them to do exactly what they are?  It was passed by the same founding fathers you so revere.  They understood that having public discussion about differences can lead to resolution.  The [mostly Black] players are protesting the action of many racist Police officers.  They are no less patriotic than you are.
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 24, 2017, 06:41PM »

deep appreciation for what we have in America.

Such as the freedom to not worship flags and songs?
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 24, 2017, 06:57PM »

CharlieB, are you aware that the First Amendment to the Constitution allows them to do exactly what they are?  It was passed by the same founding fathers you so revere.  They understood that having public discussion about differences can lead to resolution.  The [mostly Black] players are protesting the action of many racist Police officers.  They are no less patriotic than you are.

Correct as to Government...Private...Not So Much.

They can be also be Fired at the Whim of the Owner...Free Speech...RIGHT!

Or negated by the PUBLIC!

AT THEIR WHIM!
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 24, 2017, 07:03PM »

Correct as to Government...Private...Not So Much.

They can be also be Fired at the Whim of the Owner...Free Speech...RIGHT!

Or negated by the PUBLIC!

AT THEIR WHIM!

Just remember: the players demonstrating had the approval of the owners.  Had the owners said no, they would have done what the owners asked.

If you think that patriotism is measured by how you revere a flag or a song, you are missing a large part of what patriotism is.
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 24, 2017, 07:08PM »

Please explain to me how their behavior benefits any worthwhile cause. No wait, please first explain to me what their cause is.

People of color have had a rough time in the United States for the last, oh, 300+ years or so. This has gotten better to an extent, but has not been fully addressed. This action (or lack thereof) of not standing for the National Anthem is a highly publicized way to show their support in this regard.

Are they doing it because they disrespect the flag, or servicepeople, or whatever? Of course not.

Forcing everyone to respect the symbol of our United States at all times seems pretty unpatriotic to me, personally.
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 24, 2017, 07:09PM »

But as I mentioned elsewhere, it doesn't matter much to the team or fans if a player has one or more DUIs, drug busts, domestic abuse arrests, multiple children from multiple women and not married to any of them, etc. but if the player takes a knee in protest, they want to hang him.  Me, I always stand and take my hat off.  Nobody is kicking the fans out who ignore the anthem; sitting with a hat on joking about nothing instead of standing up is much worse than actively protesting by taking a knee during it.
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« Reply #10 on: Sep 24, 2017, 07:14PM »

Boycotting entertainment they throw at you on free TV.  That's a brave stand.

But I'm with you completely.  In fact, I'm a better patriot than you!

I've never been to an NFL game, I haven't watched a Super Bowl in at least 20 years, I've never bought an NFL-branded product, not even a special "DALLAS COWBOYS" box of Count Chocula.

For a long time I thought I despised it because it was a preposterous object of fanboy idol-worship, funded by taxpayer giveaways to rich people, and leaving not only the actual NFL players with permanent disabilities but also thousands of wanna-bes and never-should-haves who got sucked into the public school and college football vortex because of the artificial hero status created for it by the corrupt media parasites who feed off of it.

But now I see the real danger... someone didn't rise for a song that no one bothered to make our national anthem until 1931 and that audiences have been using as a last chance to go pee or buy a corndog for decades. 

All the other stuff, no problem! Anthem sitting, national crisis! Bad dog.  No Biscuits.
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« Reply #11 on: Sep 24, 2017, 07:24PM »

I'm simple on this...The treatment of Tom Landry decades ago sealed the deal!

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I do not watch NFL!
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 24, 2017, 07:42PM »

My musings this morning prompted the thought "what did just sitting around ever accomplish?" As soon as I said that "out loud" I immediately remembered learning about the sit-ins of the 1960s. And I felt foolish. 

My personal beliefs will always advocate standing for our flag and The Star Spangled Banner. And I will stand for The Marine's Hymn, Anchors Aweigh, and The Army Song (the branches I've served in).

But for those who think differently than me, I should seek patience and understanding.
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« Reply #13 on: Sep 24, 2017, 07:52PM »

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Never more true.
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« Reply #14 on: Sep 24, 2017, 07:54PM »

Correct as to Government...Private...Not So Much.
 
They can be also be Fired at the Whim of the Owner...Free Speech...RIGHT!
 
Or negated by the PUBLIC!
 
AT THEIR WHIM!

But those who actually understand the Constitution and actually respect the principles it's based upon would know better than to hope those who exercise those principles should be punished for doing so. It's only those who don't understand or actually don't agree with those principles who would want to see that.
 
Unfortunately, just as the PEW research shows every year, a whole lot of people don't understand or agree with the Constitution ... often those who think they're its strongest supporters.
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« Reply #15 on: Sep 24, 2017, 08:00PM »

CharlieB, are you aware that the First Amendment to the Constitution allows them to do exactly what they are?

Hi Bruce. Yes, I am very aware of the First Amendment; but having the right to do something doesn't necessarily mean that it's the right thing to do. I understand the need to draw attention to the conflict between police and minorities, but this behavior is counterproductive in that it is serving only to handicap their cause by creating further divisiveness. I will concede that the behavior is creating publicity. Whether that furthers or hinders their cause is yet to be seen. I know that it's not helping me to be more sympathetic to the problem.
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« Reply #16 on: Sep 24, 2017, 08:04PM »

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Never more true.

Not sure that's true, but if it is, I'm proud to be a scoundrel.
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« Reply #17 on: Sep 24, 2017, 08:05PM »

Not sure that's true, but if it is, I'm proud to be a scoundrel.

Ugh. This is the scariest thing I've seen on the internet today.
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 24, 2017, 08:17PM »

Not sure that's true, but if it is, I'm proud to be a scoundrel.

Let's see ...

Dr. Samuel Johnson. From Wikipedia:

Samuel Johnson, often referred to as Dr. Johnson, was an English writer who made lasting contributions to English literature as a poet, essayist, moralist, literary critic, biographer, editor and lexicographer.


And then there's  CharlieB. Retired engineer and amateur trombonist. "An empty barrel makes the most noise". Indeed sir.
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« Reply #19 on: Sep 24, 2017, 08:19PM »

I guess CharlieB is in Hillary's "basket" Evil
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