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« on: Oct 04, 2017, 08:54AM »

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« Reply #1 on: Oct 04, 2017, 09:31AM »

I don't know if I would consider a Schilke 51C4 a "High range" mouthpiece. But this is certainly subjective, dependent on your "normal" setup. I will see if I have an extra or check the usual places. Are you looking for small or large shank?

Schilke describes the 51C4 as "Similar to the #51 with a slightly shallower cup and semi-flat #4 rim." I can attest to this being an accurate description having owned and played on both. Otherwise, they share the same specs. For what it's worth, I don't notice much of a difference, at least in regards to easier high range. My tone is noticeably brighter. The 51 is my daily driver; I'm not particularly fond of the 51C4. Once again, this is subjective. I feel like maybe tighter throat/backbore would help with higher range.
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 04, 2017, 10:50AM »

Sorry I forgot to clarify, Large bore mpiece
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 04, 2017, 11:13AM »

Schilke makes a 51B. Slightly shallower cup (than a 51), slightly tighter backbore. More security in the high range. I seem to recall it being associated with Jay Friedman.
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 04, 2017, 12:21PM »

Schilke makes a 51B. Slightly shallower cup (than a 51), slightly tighter backbore. More security in the high range. I seem to recall it being associated with Jay Friedman.

Yeah, that would have been my next suggestion. I've got small and large shank versions of the 50 & 51. The 51 is a great all-around piece on medium and large bore horns for me. Bach 36 & 42 series respectively. And 50 seems really good for my 16M (.508), but not so much on the 42; maybe the backbore is too tight & cup diameter too small? Have you played the large shank version of the 51B Ellrod?
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 04, 2017, 01:22PM »

nope, just getting started in this mouthpiece search. only ever played on 6 1/2AL, 5G and DW4AL
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 04, 2017, 02:25PM »

Iíll admit that some mouthpieces have a design that lend themselves to be more secure for a player in the upper register, but none will get you there if you canít already get there. I briefly tried a Yamaha 48L in high school and it may still be at my other house. If youíre interested in that small of a mouthpiece I can take a look for it next time Iím there  Good!
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 04, 2017, 02:31PM »

Yeah, that would have been my next suggestion. I've got small and large shank versions of the 50 & 51. The 51 is a great all-around piece on medium and large bore horns for me. Bach 36 & 42 series respectively. And 50 seems really good for my 16M (.508), but not so much on the 42; maybe the backbore is too tight & cup diameter too small? Have you played the large shank version of the 51B Ellrod?

I tried a small shank 51B on a 3B a number of years ago. Didn't work particularly well for me as I recall. It certainly didn't last long.

Recently I went on a Schilke bender. Eventually, I found the 51 a bit dark. Maybe the 51B would be worth a try. Not a popular mpc, it appears. 
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 04, 2017, 03:51PM »

I like the large-shank Schilke 51 - played it for many years after "upsizing" from a Bach 6ĹAL. 

After a long layoff, during which my chops deteriorated, I tried a Schilke 51B (which has a smaller throat as well as a shallower cup) thinking it would improve my high range on my weakened embouchure - but never found it at all satisfactory on my Conn 88H.  In fact, I don't really know anyone who much likes the quirky 51B.  The Schilke 51C4 is much more to my liking.  But now that my chops are strengthened, I've found a Giddings & Webster large-shank piece that I've also been happy with. 
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 04, 2017, 07:49PM »

Iíll admit that some mouthpieces have a design that lend themselves to be more secure for a player in the upper register, but none will get you there if you canít already get there...

True that!
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 05, 2017, 09:01PM »

Sorry I forgot to clarify, Large bore mpiece
I would suggest something like a Yamaha 48A, but I'm sure it is not available in large shank.

If you want a high end high range mouthpiece that is adjustable how about a Doug Elliot LT 101 B B6.  This might be special order from Doug but the nice thing about it is you can configure it anyway you want.

What horn is this going on?

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« Reply #11 on: Oct 06, 2017, 03:53AM »

A Doug Elliott 6 shank is for a Euro receiver.  The smallest large shank is 7.

Doug's pieces are excellent, but pricey.  Not what I'd recommend for somebody looking to "buy virtuosity".

I'd like to echo something that has been said before.  A smaller/shallower mouthpiece makes high notes easier, but you have to be able to play them first.  It's not like having an alto sax that plays higher than a tenor sax.  Even trumpet players have to WORK on being able to play a piccolo trumpet.

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« Reply #12 on: Oct 06, 2017, 05:10AM »

A Doug Elliott 6 shank is for a Euro receiver. 
From stock, yes, but I believe he'll make a custom shank if you want it.  A 6 would provide a bit more resistance to aid production of higher tones.  Doug would certainly know better than me though.
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« Reply #13 on: Oct 06, 2017, 07:39AM »

I would suggest something like a Yamaha 48A, but I'm sure it is not available in large shank.

If you want a high end high range mouthpiece that is adjustable how about a Doug Elliot LT 101 B B6.  This might be special order from Doug but the nice thing about it is you can configure it anyway you want.

What horn is this going on?



Bach 42A (hagmann)
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« Reply #14 on: Oct 06, 2017, 11:13AM »

Bach 42A (hagmann)
That may not respond well to a very shallow mouthpiece, but I could be wrong.  What notes are you trying to bolster?
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« Reply #15 on: Oct 06, 2017, 01:23PM »

A Doug Elliott 6 shank is for a Euro receiver.  The smallest large shank is 7.

Doug's pieces are excellent, but pricey.  Not what I'd recommend for somebody looking to "buy virtuosity".

I'd like to echo something that has been said before.  A smaller/shallower mouthpiece makes high notes easier, but you have to be able to play them first.  It's not like having an alto sax that plays higher than a tenor sax.  Even trumpet players have to WORK on being able to play a piccolo trumpet.



Echoing this, I spent some time trying to learn trumpet only to find my high range on trumpet was only a little better than on trombone, i.e., I didn't automatically just gain a full octave. Of course I automatically lost my bottom octave. But oddly enough, girls started noticing me more  :D
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« Reply #16 on: Oct 07, 2017, 07:00AM »

I have a Conn Lindberg 5CL Gold - very shallow cup.

http://www.hickeys.com/search.php?q=Conn+Lindberg+5CL-G

If interested, contact me at ebrenner@comcast.net.
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« Reply #17 on: Oct 07, 2017, 10:49AM »

You say you have played on a 6.5AL, a 5G and a DW4AL. Have you thought of trying the DW 9BL. It is around the 6.5 rim size with a shallow cup and has been marketed as an " emergency high note getter" Amazed

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« Reply #18 on: Oct 07, 2017, 02:41PM »

You say you have played on a 6.5AL, a 5G and a DW4AL. Have you thought of trying the DW 9BL. It is around the 6.5 rim size with a shallow cup and has been marketed as an " emergency high note getter" Amazed

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The DW 9B is a useful mouthpiece piece. it's been a good "fallback" for me for a long time, and I've never heard anyone make a bad sound on one, or have the problems with breath control either.
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« Reply #19 on: Oct 08, 2017, 05:24PM »

That may not respond well to a very shallow mouthpiece, but I could be wrong.  What notes are you trying to bolster?

Trying to bolster notes upwards of a high F  8^

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