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« Reply #20 on: Dec 18, 2017, 10:18AM »

One severe problem is the synthetics Fentanil and Carfentanil, which are much stronger than regular heroin.  These are often laced into heroin and an unsuspecting user can easily overdose using his regular amount.
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« Reply #21 on: Dec 18, 2017, 10:23AM »

One severe problem is the synthetics Fentanil and Carfentanil, which are much stronger than regular heroin.  These are often laced into heroin and an unsuspecting user can easily overdose using his regular amount.

I am not sure that is the case.  LD50s are huge for tolerant addicts. 
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« Reply #22 on: Dec 18, 2017, 10:26AM »

But these two are MUCH stronger than heroin.  Sometimes 100 to 500 times.  I don't care how much tolerance there is for regular heroin; a dose of these can be killers (literally).
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« Reply #23 on: Dec 18, 2017, 03:20PM »

There are many reports of overdose deaths from both prescription opiods and heroin.  It is often referred to as an epidemic.

The description of the heroin deaths includes death so sudden the needle remains in the arm.

That is not a new phenomenon. 

This book:
https://www.amazon.com/Consumers-Narcotics-Stimulants-Depressants-Hallucinogens/dp/0316153400

described it in 1972 and discussed the possibility that true heroin overdose might be rare to nonexistent.  The theory was that death by overdose is typically a slow progressive depression of functioning that is in stark contrast to the needle-in-the-arm often described, and that the actual amount of heroin required to kill an addict with a high tolerance would be very difficult to find.  The idea was that there was probably some unknown allergic reaction that had not been recognized or studied.   

Then, is it of greater concern to count people getting addicted to these by doctors?
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