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« on: Oct 24, 2017, 03:20PM »

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/politics/jeff-flake-retirement-arizona/index.html

It is about time! Good for Senator Flake. Good for the country if more senators manage to grow a pair and speak up.
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 24, 2017, 03:24PM »

Probably won't change much.

He's voted for just about every conservative thing ever, and whoever succeeds him will probably vote for just about every conservative thing ever.

Joe Arpaio is thinking of running for the seat.
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 24, 2017, 03:29PM »

Probably won't change much.

He's voted for just about every conservative thing ever, and whoever succeeds him will probably vote for just about every conservative thing ever.

Joe Arpaio is thinking of running for the seat.

Can a convicted felon hold a seat in the Congress? A judge refused to vacate his conviction.

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« Reply #3 on: Oct 24, 2017, 03:59PM »

Flake realizes he can't get re-elected, so he's trying to save face. Same with that other clown - Corker.
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 24, 2017, 04:03PM »

Obviously you don't respect him for standing up for what is right, so you out your spin on it. Of course you would never criticize Trump. That would never happen.

All knowing DD at it again.  Yeah, RIGHT.
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 24, 2017, 04:04PM »

Obviously you don't respect him for standing up for what is right, so you out your spin on it.

All knowing DD at it again.  Yeah, RIGHT.

How is flake standing up for what is right? i must have missed something.
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 24, 2017, 04:05PM »

You miss a lot DD

Did you even listen to his speech?

Actually I don't even care if you did or not. You are beyond hope and reason.
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 24, 2017, 04:06PM »

You miss a lot DD

Well, still waiting for you to clue me in.  Don't know
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 24, 2017, 04:08PM »

It is impossible to clue in the clueless
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 24, 2017, 04:08PM »

Can a convicted felon hold a seat in the Congress? A judge refused to vacate his conviction.

Yes. One would hope not while serving sentence, though.
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 24, 2017, 04:09PM »

It is impossible to clue in the clueless

What? You still can't reply?
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 24, 2017, 04:13PM »

How is flake standing up for what is right? i must have missed something.

A transcript of his speech:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/24/us/politics/jeff-flake-transcript-senate-speech.html

Basically, he's chastising the Senate Republicans for being tolerant of Trump.
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« Reply #12 on: Oct 24, 2017, 04:13PM »

Can a convicted felon hold a seat in the Congress? A judge refused to vacate his conviction.

There's no US Constitutional rule against it. A State can bar felons from running if it wishes.

In Arpaio's case, however, the judge was only refusing to clear the legal records of his conviction. You can still go to the courthouse and read the official trial transcripts and stuff.

Arpaio himself is pardoned and no longer a felon.
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« Reply #13 on: Oct 24, 2017, 04:31PM »

Well, still waiting for you to clue me in.  Don't know

Anyone offering anything reasonable and factual would be making the same investment in the effort if cluing in a potted plant, or a rock.
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« Reply #14 on: Oct 25, 2017, 06:21AM »

DD, you asked if you've missed something. Perhaps you've missed the way Trump speaks about women? Or the mocking of a disabled person? Or how he tweets whatever's in his head? Or the way he speaks of other nations? Or his anger when he is crossed and his need for revenge? Or his narcissism? Not to mention his blatant lies or his power games with the press. It's all about him and his ego. Like a toddler, whenever he is challenged he has a tantrum or blames someone else, or both.
Surely This is not about where one sits politically, but about the way he undermines the things that have bound those of us in the West together for a very long time.
I don't see how a country can ever hope to pass on any sense of decency or doing what is right to their young with this man in the Whitehouse.
In my opinion enough was enough a long time ago.
There's something new every day and the rest of the western world are  baffled as to how he got there and why he's still there.
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« Reply #15 on: Oct 25, 2017, 06:32AM »

This morning on NPR Sen. Jeff Flake explicitly said no to impeachment. 

For him it's all just about Trump being undignified.
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« Reply #16 on: Oct 25, 2017, 07:01AM »

DD, you asked if you've missed something. Perhaps you've missed the way Trump speaks about women? Or the mocking of a disabled person? Or how he tweets whatever's in his head? Or the way he speaks of other nations? Or his anger when he is crossed and his need for revenge? Or his narcissism? Not to mention his blatant lies or his power games with the press. It's all about him and his ego. Like a toddler, whenever he is challenged he has a tantrum or blames someone else, or both.
Surely This is not about where one sits politically, but about the way he undermines the things that have bound those of us in the West together for a very long time.
I don't see how a country can ever hope to pass on any sense of decency or doing what is right to their young with this man in the Whitehouse.
In my opinion enough was enough a long time ago.
There's something new every day and the rest of the western world are  baffled as to how he got there and why he's still there.

Well, you bring this up after the MSM and demos have trashed repub presidents starting with Nixon and Reagan, Bush too.

With Trump, you see a pattern. He gets trashed first, then, unlike all other repubs of the past, he returns fire. Bush did the gentlemanly response, as you opine for, and that only encouraged the ruthless to even dump more insults on him. He appeased his attackers. He ended up with very low polls numbers after 8 years of unanswered trashing.

Trump is not going to let uncalled for attacks go unanswered. Critics like you I guess would rather just let his opponents attack him, and he stay quiet. In my opinion, that doesn't work.

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« Reply #17 on: Oct 25, 2017, 07:27AM »

Barack Obama didn't answer the uncalled-for attacks and he ended up with high poll numbers.

George Bush got low poll numbers for staggeringly bad policy decisions that will hinder this country for decades, not because he didn't respond to personal attacks.






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« Reply #18 on: Oct 25, 2017, 07:45AM »

Barack Obama didn't answer the uncalled-for attacks and he ended up with high poll numbers.

George Bush got low poll numbers for staggeringly bad policy decisions that will hinder this country for decades, not because he didn't respond to personal attacks.


There is certainly many reasons that contribute to poll numbers, but Obama contributed to most of the divisiveness during his term. Of course the media sucked up to him, so he didn't have much to respond to anyway. Plus, when someone did attack him, the MSM attacked back on his behalf.

The MSM never defends Trump, just like they never defended Bush or Reagan.

Nobody made more bad policy than Obama. That's why Trump has to deal with Iran. Obama didn't do anything to control NKorea during his term either.

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« Reply #19 on: Oct 25, 2017, 08:47AM »

He's had almost a year now to make that better Iran deal. 

How's that coming along? Sent them a proposal? Anything beyond complaining he didn't like the current agreement?

All the details of the current agreement have been available for 2+ years now. If he's so sure he could do better all he'd have to do is strike out the parts he didn't like, pencil in the replacements, send it to Iran and demand a reply.

There's no international law stopping him from making a new proposal.  Why hasn't the great deal-maker done that?

He would have done that on Jan 20 if that was really the big problem we face. Or the 21st. Or the 22nd. When's it going to happen? Real men get to work when there's a crisis, they don't sit around crying about it.

He's spent more time playing golf than he has spent on that great new deal.

He's spent more time playing out his personal gripes than he has spent on that great new deal. All twitter, no action.







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