Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length

 
Advanced search

1087048 Posts in 71973 Topics- by 19232 Members - Latest Member: Bach to the future
Jump to:  
The Trombone ForumPractice BreakChit-ChatPurely Politics(Moderators: bhcordova, RedHotMama, BFW) Republican duplicity re: sexual assaults
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6  All   Go Down
Print
Author Topic: Republican duplicity re: sexual assaults  (Read 1792 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
ddickerson

*
Offline Offline

Location:
Joined: Feb 21, 2009
Posts: 9683

View Profile
« Reply #60 on: Nov 14, 2017, 05:47AM »

The case for Hillary is for more than 'he said/she said'.

I've seen many reports that Gloria Allred is behind one or more of these allegations, discounting her motives, the reports go on to say how much has been paying the ladies to make their allegations public. Is any of this true? I don't know, again, allegations, allegations,....

I'm just saying unless you want a political process to turn into destruction by nothing but allegations, then keep feeding the people who are doing this.

Watch the episode of Orville for which I posted the link. That could be our future if we don't start getting it right. 
Logged

Energy City Horizons Symphonic Band
Energy City Big Band
Energy City Dixieland Band
River Pointe Church Praise and Worship Band
B0B
*
Offline Offline

Location:
Joined: Jun 27, 2008
Posts: 5662

View Profile
« Reply #61 on: Nov 14, 2017, 08:08AM »

The case for Hillary is for more than 'he said/she said'.
And the process investigated deeper and ultimately found no fault.

Welcome to due process. You are ignoring it when convenient.
Logged
robcat2075

*
Offline Offline

Location: Dallas, Texas
Joined: Apr 19, 2009
Posts: 6298

View Profile
« Reply #62 on: Nov 14, 2017, 08:12AM »

I recall there have been several congressional and legal investigations, run by Republicans, where they got in every "he said" they could and they still came up with nothing.
Logged

Robert Holmén

Hear me as I Play My Horn


Get your Popper, Dotzauer, or Kummer play-alongs!
elmsandr

*
Offline Offline

Location: Howell, MI
Joined: Apr 12, 2004
Posts: 3323

View Profile
« Reply #63 on: Nov 14, 2017, 08:42AM »

The case for Hillary is for more than 'he said/she said'.

I've seen many reports that Gloria Allred is behind one or more of these allegations, discounting her motives, the reports go on to say how much has been paying the ladies to make their allegations public. Is any of this true? I don't know, again, allegations, allegations,....

I'm just saying unless you want a political process to turn into destruction by nothing but allegations, then keep feeding the people who are doing this.

Watch the episode of Orville for which I posted the link. That could be our future if we don't start getting it right. 
THERE IS A 2002 ARTICLE FROM A LOCAL PAPER ON THE GUY.

Your claims about "allegations" and "process" are as phony as heck. Read the 'not always admired' section below.



This was a known thing to many locals, hence WHY the Washington Post teamed up with a local writer and tracked down the story.

You've seen 'reports' whose sole purpose is to give you enough reason to not believe anything.  And you've swallowed them whole, apparently.  If that actually isn't your belief, you have a funny way of showing it.

Of course, you can write out by name four women that accused Bill Clinton and some of the folks pursuing Moore, but I'll bet you haven't the faintest clue about the 16 women named that have accused Trump or the names of the actual accusers here.  Pretty obvious what your actual standard for information is here.

Cheers,
Andy
Logged

Andrew Elms
slide advantage
*
*
Offline Offline

Location:
Joined: Apr 18, 2016
Posts: 807

View Profile WWW
« Reply #64 on: Nov 14, 2017, 09:27AM »

I saw a meme on facebook I wish I could share here.

It showed an Alabaman in the voting booth. He is truly in crisis mode over his two choices. One button read "Elect Democrat" and the other one read "Elect Child Molester"

And now these stories from the past emerge. Banned from local mall for bothering teenage girls.  >:(

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/locals-were-troubled-by-roy-moores-interactions-with-teen-girls-at-the-gadsden-mall
Logged
slide advantage
*
*
Offline Offline

Location:
Joined: Apr 18, 2016
Posts: 807

View Profile WWW
« Reply #65 on: Nov 14, 2017, 09:30AM »

The case for Hillary is for more than 'he said/she said'.

I've seen many reports that Gloria Allred is behind one or more of these allegations, discounting her motives, the reports go on to say how much has been paying the ladies to make their allegations public. Is any of this true? I don't know, again, allegations, allegations,....

I'm just saying unless you want a political process to turn into destruction by nothing but allegations, then keep feeding the people who are doing this.

Watch the episode of Orville for which I posted the link. That could be our future if we don't start getting it right. 

I admit DD. I am not the least bit surprised by your bias. When the allegations meet your agenda, you believe them. When they don't, you dismiss them.

You remind me of the wife of Jerry Sandusky. He was convicted of molesting kids, and some of the offenses occurred in his basement while his wife was upstairs. Yet she insisted that nothing happened.

Why? She was married to the creep, and no matter how bad the charges were, she stood by her man.
Logged
ddickerson

*
Offline Offline

Location:
Joined: Feb 21, 2009
Posts: 9683

View Profile
« Reply #66 on: Nov 14, 2017, 12:56PM »


Why? She was married to the creep, and no matter how bad the charges were, she stood by her man.

Like Hillary stood by her man. LOL!

Actually, I never he was innocent or guilty. I've just been concerned about allegations being made 40 years after the fact, and using that as the standard for guilt. There is not enough time before the election for him to properly defend himself. So this attack was well timed for a reason.

There - was there a defense in that?
Logged

Energy City Horizons Symphonic Band
Energy City Big Band
Energy City Dixieland Band
River Pointe Church Praise and Worship Band
bhcordova
Wielder of the Cat Litter Scoop

*
*
Offline Offline

Location: Nacogdoches, TX, USA
Joined: May 18, 2000
Posts: 7136
"Carpe Felix"


View Profile WWW
« Reply #67 on: Nov 14, 2017, 01:08PM »

It never ceases to amaze me -
Democrat caught cheating on wife, committing sexual harassment, etc. = end of political career
Republican caught doing same = Republican cries crocodile tears, career continues as if nothing happened.

And the Republicans say the Democrats have no morals.
Logged

Billy Cordova, MBA
Forum Administrator
bcordova@tromboneforum.org

Beware the Jabberwock, my son! - Lewis Carroll

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup - Anon.

St. Cecilia, pray for us.
Bimmerman
*
Offline Offline

Location:
Joined: May 12, 2012
Posts: 213

View Profile
« Reply #68 on: Nov 14, 2017, 02:42PM »

Like Hillary stood by her man. LOL!

Actually, I never he was innocent or guilty. I've just been concerned about allegations being made 40 years after the fact, and using that as the standard for guilt. There is not enough time before the election for him to properly defend himself. So this attack was well timed for a reason.

There - was there a defense in that?


Or, the national conversation about sexual harassment/assault victims has changed for the better, and the women are finally comfortable with coming forward now, especially since it is no longer possible for powerful people to easily suppress stories like this-- there is little tolerance for that anymore, and there has been a large outpouring of support.

see: how quickly #metoo went viral, and even the most head-in-the-sand people across the nation went "sexual assault/harassment is way more widespread than we realized this must stop since I actually know X victims personally"

My bet is on that being the reason for coming forward after so many years. 40 years ago stories of assault and harassment could easily be swept under the rug by powerful connected people. That is no longer the case.

What startles me the most isn't the R vs D aspect of the conversation around Moore. What blows my mind is that he is being defended by people saying that god and jesus are OK with it, because otherwise a D would be elected, and that underage girls with older men are all over in the bible. That rationalization logic is utterly disgusting.
Logged
Ellrod

*
Offline Offline

Location: North
Joined: Oct 30, 2001
Posts: 6362

View Profile
« Reply #69 on: Nov 14, 2017, 02:47PM »

Or, the national conversation about sexual harassment/assault victims has changed for the better, and the women are finally comfortable with coming forward now, especially since it is no longer possible for powerful people to easily suppress stories like this-- there is little tolerance for that anymore, and there is a large outpouring of support.

see: how quickly #metoo went viral, and even the most head-in-the-sand people across the nation went "sexual assault/harassment is way more widespread than we realized this must stop since I actually know X victims personally"

My bet is on that being the reason for coming forward after so many years. 40 years ago stories of assault and harassment could easily be swept under the rug by powerful connected people. That is no longer the case.

What startles me the most isn't the R vs D aspect of the conversation around Moore. What blows my mind is that he is being defended by people saying that god and jesus are OK with it, because otherwise a D would be elected, and that underage girls with older men are all over in the bible. That rationalization logic is utterly disgusting.

According to one lamebrain Republican theologian, it's ok because Joseph and Mary, well, you know. (Which might be missing one significant ingredient of the Christmas miracle)

Maybe Judge Roy was tumescent with Christian spirit?
Logged
B0B
*
Offline Offline

Location:
Joined: Jun 27, 2008
Posts: 5662

View Profile
« Reply #70 on: Nov 14, 2017, 02:53PM »

Like Hillary stood by her man. LOL!

It never ceases to amaze me -
Democrat caught cheating on wife, committing sexual harassment, etc. = end of political career
Republican caught doing same = Republican cries crocodile tears, career continues as if nothing happened.

And the Republicans say the Democrats have no morals.

It does make me wonder, is the reason that republicans blindly hate Hillary so much really just that she stood by her man? At the time they were demanding that a woman do so rather than leave him, and by golly she had the gall to do exactly what they said she should. It's enraging that your political opponent does what you say is right (and all you want to do is score points), and even more enraging because what then do you attack them with? She did what we said she should?
Logged
slide advantage
*
*
Offline Offline

Location:
Joined: Apr 18, 2016
Posts: 807

View Profile WWW
« Reply #71 on: Nov 14, 2017, 03:27PM »

Like Hillary stood by her man. LOL!

Actually, I never he was innocent or guilty. I've just been concerned about allegations being made 40 years after the fact, and using that as the standard for guilt. There is not enough time before the election for him to properly defend himself. So this attack was well timed for a reason.


What say you in regard to the FBI releasing Hillary emails right before the election? IIRC, you were quite pleased with that. And yet disappointed that none of them were damning enough to lead to an indictment.
[/quote]

Your outrage is selective and laughable DD.

And as far as 40 years after the fact, you think that those offenses should be swept aside? Ignored? This perv is trying to be a US SENATOR.

Logged
ddickerson

*
Offline Offline

Location:
Joined: Feb 21, 2009
Posts: 9683

View Profile
« Reply #72 on: Nov 15, 2017, 07:25AM »

It never ceases to amaze me -
Democrat caught cheating on wife, committing sexual harassment, etc. = end of political career

That's the funniest line of this thread.
Logged

Energy City Horizons Symphonic Band
Energy City Big Band
Energy City Dixieland Band
River Pointe Church Praise and Worship Band
robcat2075

*
Offline Offline

Location: Dallas, Texas
Joined: Apr 19, 2009
Posts: 6298

View Profile
« Reply #73 on: Nov 15, 2017, 09:31AM »

So, people are destroying their coffee makers in support of Roy Moore.

It's those "Keurig" things? Those are an environmental disaster anyway.
Logged

Robert Holmén

Hear me as I Play My Horn


Get your Popper, Dotzauer, or Kummer play-alongs!
elmsandr

*
Offline Offline

Location: Howell, MI
Joined: Apr 12, 2004
Posts: 3323

View Profile
« Reply #74 on: Nov 15, 2017, 10:19AM »

Like Hillary stood by her man. LOL!

Actually, I never he was innocent or guilty. I've just been concerned about allegations being made 40 years after the fact, and using that as the standard for guilt. There is not enough time before the election for him to properly defend himself. So this attack was well timed for a reason.

There - was there a defense in that?

"I never defended him, I just said that we shouldn't even be discussing this or taking it seriously before an election."

Your lack of honesty and shame is showing.
Andy
Logged

Andrew Elms
ddickerson

*
Offline Offline

Location:
Joined: Feb 21, 2009
Posts: 9683

View Profile
« Reply #75 on: Nov 15, 2017, 10:31AM »

"I never defended him, I just said that we shouldn't even be discussing this or taking it seriously before an election."

Your lack of honesty and shame is showing.
Andy

Your lack of reading comprehension is showing. I have always been talking about process. In this case, the process that is being used against Roy Moore, but process never the less.
Logged

Energy City Horizons Symphonic Band
Energy City Big Band
Energy City Dixieland Band
River Pointe Church Praise and Worship Band
Bimmerman
*
Offline Offline

Location:
Joined: May 12, 2012
Posts: 213

View Profile
« Reply #76 on: Nov 15, 2017, 10:38AM »

Your lack of reading comprehension is showing. I have always been talking about process. In this case, the process that is being used against Roy Moore, but process never the less.

The court of public opinion has never been bound by due process, rightly or wrongly. Can you honestly say, unequivocally, that you give every allegation you hear the benefit of the doubt, such that you presume the alleged party's innocence until proven guilty in a court of law? Because your own statements on the subject of the Clintons, Benghazi, Emails-ad-nauseam, etc belie that assertion.

It very much seems like you're bemoaning the lack of due process in public opinion raking Moore over the coals when you have no such qualms in continuing to allege baseless, unfounded, and utterly disproven claims about Clintons, in whose case there have been EXHAUSTIVE investigations by professionals that have turned up nothing criminal.
Logged
elmsandr

*
Offline Offline

Location: Howell, MI
Joined: Apr 12, 2004
Posts: 3323

View Profile
« Reply #77 on: Nov 15, 2017, 12:15PM »

Your lack of reading comprehension is showing. I have always been talking about process. In this case, the process that is being used against Roy Moore, but process never the less.
"No, really, it was about ethics in video gaming journalism."

Look up gamergate if you don't know what that means.

C'mon dude, you are standing in the field with no clothes on.  E'rybody can clearly see you.
Andy
Logged

Andrew Elms
ddickerson

*
Offline Offline

Location:
Joined: Feb 21, 2009
Posts: 9683

View Profile
« Reply #78 on: Nov 15, 2017, 01:23PM »

The court of public opinion has never been bound by due process, rightly or wrongly. Can you honestly say, unequivocally, that you give every allegation you hear the benefit of the doubt, such that you presume the alleged party's innocence until proven guilty in a court of law? Because your own statements on the subject of the Clintons, Benghazi, Emails-ad-nauseam, etc belie that assertion.

It very much seems like you're bemoaning the lack of due process in public opinion raking Moore over the coals when you have no such qualms in continuing to allege baseless, unfounded, and utterly disproven claims about Clintons, in whose case there have been EXHAUSTIVE investigations by professionals that have turned up nothing criminal.

Well, it's just a little more than that. People are trying to use the allegations as justification to make Moore drop out of the race, or to have the Senate take him out if he is elected. Opinions are one thing, but taking people out, or punishing them is another thing.

I don't care what your opinion is, but when you call for someone to lose their job per an allegation, then, that's over the top. IMHO.
Logged

Energy City Horizons Symphonic Band
Energy City Big Band
Energy City Dixieland Band
River Pointe Church Praise and Worship Band
ddickerson

*
Offline Offline

Location:
Joined: Feb 21, 2009
Posts: 9683

View Profile
« Reply #79 on: Nov 15, 2017, 01:25PM »

"No, really, it was about ethics in video gaming journalism."

Look up gamergate if you don't know what that means.

C'mon dude, you are standing in the field with no clothes on.  E'rybody can clearly see you.
Andy

You're being totally ridiculous.
Logged

Energy City Horizons Symphonic Band
Energy City Big Band
Energy City Dixieland Band
River Pointe Church Praise and Worship Band
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6  All   Go Up
Print
Jump to: