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« Reply #20 on: Nov 16, 2017, 07:34AM »

The bigger question is... why didn't same-sex cheating count as "adultery" before the marriage law was changed?
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« Reply #21 on: Nov 16, 2017, 08:14AM »


How so?


Also hope they remember to revise the divorce laws, as the first same sex couple to marry in the UK following the change tried to divorce a year later and only then did it become apparent that wasn't legal...so oops and the divorce laws had to be changed quickly too!

Because you can't count on the majority to protect minority rights.
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« Reply #22 on: Nov 16, 2017, 08:30AM »

The bigger question is... why didn't same-sex cheating count as "adultery" before the marriage law was changed?
Adultery would have to be between a married person and someone who is not that person's spouse.  Since there was no same-sex marriage before the laws changed, there was no same-sex adultery - by definition - so it was just good ol' cheatin'.  Unless of course, the married person is cheating with a same-sex person outside the marriage.  It would be same-sex cheating, but still just adultery.  Or maybe not if the adultery laws require partners of opposite sex.

Wait - I don't think I know what I'm talking about.  This is just confusing.  I guess it boils down to the how the laws are written in the jurisdiction in which the marriage is registered - or would it be the laws where the deed was done?  Don't know

I'm just all for keeping out of other people's bedrooms.
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« Reply #23 on: Nov 16, 2017, 09:28AM »

Maybe it's like this... sex with the same sex wasn't considered sex, it was an abomination!

Since sex officially existed only for procreation, same-sex didn't qualify. It would be lumped with other criminal deviancy, like masturbating.

Still bad, still grounds for divorce, but not within the understanding of what sex was.

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« Reply #24 on: Nov 16, 2017, 09:32AM »

'There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation': P E Trudeau, prime minister of Canada, 1968.
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« Reply #25 on: Nov 23, 2017, 02:43PM »

If the week beginning December 4 goes according to the Australian Government's plans, we are likely to see the Lower House pass the Dean Smith bill to legalise same-sex marriage. However, this is by no means certain, because we are going through a constitutional crisis about dual citizenship that has already seen nine senators and MPs booted out of Parliament by the High Court. So, who knows if they will even get time to debate SSM or where the numbers will lie with a Government that already has no majority to speak of.
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« Reply #26 on: Nov 27, 2017, 02:12PM »

You're gonna need a cake decorators exception.

Debate on the SSM issue goes on an on. Latest of a range of amendments to Liberal Dean Smith's same-sex marriage bill to be discussed in the Senate this week is that Bakers, florists and other service providers will not be exempt from discrimination laws, meaning they will not be allowed to refuse to provide services for same-sex weddings.

There are a lot of issues still to be agreed and I can't see all of them being agreed by the politicians so that Parliament can enact something before Christmas.
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« Reply #27 on: Nov 28, 2017, 10:19PM »

Aha, some progress! The bill to legalise same-sex marriage has now been passed by the Australian Senate. However, it cannot progress because the sitting week of the House of Representatives was cancelled by the PM, who was frightened at not having proper majority due to the Dual Citizenship saga. Therefore debate will not continue until Monday next week.

The Bill passed the Senate without amendments.

It is now possible that same-sex marriage will be legalised by Christmas.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-29/same-sex-marriage-bill-passes-senate/9202478
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« Reply #28 on: Nov 29, 2017, 01:42AM »

Aha, some progress! The bill to legalise same-sex marriage has now been passed by the Australian Senate. However, it cannot progress because the sitting week of the House of Representatives was cancelled by the PM, who was frightened at not having proper majority due to the Dual Citizenship saga. Therefore debate will not continue until Monday next week.

The Bill passed the Senate without amendments.

It is now possible that same-sex marriage will be legalised by Christmas.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-29/same-sex-marriage-bill-passes-senate/9202478



Let's hope it is passed, a great present for those same sex couples wishing to marry!
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« Reply #29 on: Dec 06, 2017, 02:10PM »

After a lot of very bitter debate from the ultra conservatives, the Same-Sex Marriage Bill looks like it will be passed in the House of Representatives today, without amendments as it did in the Upper House. It will almost certainly be legal in just a few days time.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-07/same-sex-marriage-bill-looks-set-to-pass-parliament/9233818

It was just stupid that the Government spent so much money on the plebiscite, when it could have been put straight to Parliament as they are now doing. Yeah, RIGHT.
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« Reply #30 on: Dec 06, 2017, 04:20PM »

Austria have just passed a similar bill making it 12 countries in Europe to pass such a lW!!
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« Reply #31 on: Dec 07, 2017, 12:48AM »

It's a goer! The Same-sex marriage bill was passed on final sitting day of the year. So, Same-sex marriage will be legal in Australia with Parliament agreeing to change the Marriage Act and end the ban on gay and lesbian couples marrying.

Amendments designed to boost religious protections have been defeated. Good!
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« Reply #32 on: Dec 07, 2017, 05:09AM »

 Good!

This is good!

I just don't understand why it's even a thing.  Seems to me strange for a government to spend time on who people get to love.  Aren't there more important matters to deal with, like unemployment, homelessness and poverty, rather than who is sleeping with who, or who wants to marry who?

It seems we (humans) have a long way to go.
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« Reply #33 on: Dec 07, 2017, 05:26PM »

The Same-sex marriage bill was signed into law by Governor-General today.

Couples who have already married overseas will have their relationships recognised in Australia from midnight tonight, and the first same-sex weddings will be able to happen a month from tomorrow.

So that just about finishes this topic.
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« Reply #34 on: Dec 07, 2017, 06:14PM »

Congrats.  I really think the institution of marriage will survive, much to the consternation of the religious zealots.
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