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« Reply #20 on: Nov 29, 2017, 08:02AM »

Try one Geezer.  They are pretty nice.  For me they are, umm ... 30% better than silver.  Not enough for me to part with the extra for a new gold plated piece, but I certainly favor them if fortune provides me with a choice.

This is almost exactly my thoughts on the subject.  (I would need to calibrate the 30%, but it sounds pretty close.)  I love the feel of my gold plated  Denis Wick 4ABL, but if I had to replace the mouthpiece, I don't know how much extra I would be willing to pay for the gold plate. 
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« Reply #21 on: Nov 29, 2017, 10:28AM »

Interesting thread... Just last week I decided to re-plate and put some gold down.

There's a place in SLC, UT that has a reputation for good plating. And they plate mouthpieces all the time. I believe they are the sub-contractor to some other online companies that send them in.

I had three 6 1/2AL's laying around, so last week I went in and spent 30 minutes talking about the thickness of the sliver plate they'll put down and the thickness of the gold that will go on top of the silver --as well as where I wanted it masked.

Economy of scale, to strip, buff/polish, re-silver plate and then gold plate the rim/bowl it was $110 for two. And $150 for 3. He said all the time is in the buffing/prep work and if they are set up to do two, it is easier to do a 3rd.



It'll be interesting to see how they look and feel when the come back.

All that said, there's nothing like the certainty in buying one new, from a source where you know what you're going to get.

If the shop does a good job, it would be interesting to consider pooling our collective resources and send some MP's to him as a group to get the $50 per MP price...I'd be willing to do that for sure...Tough to beat that price...
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« Reply #22 on: Nov 29, 2017, 10:34AM »

If the shop does a good job, it would be interesting to consider pooling our collective resources and send some MP's to him as a group to get the $50 per MP price...I'd be willing to do that for sure...Tough to beat that price...
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For sure. Once they're back, I'll post up some pics and use them for a while --to see if there are any issues. If all goes well, I was thinking the same thing. I have a couple local friends that sound interested as well. It doesn't sound like it be difficult to get another batch together.
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« Reply #23 on: Nov 29, 2017, 11:11AM »

Gold plating is nice for a number of reasons:

1.  Some are allergic to silver and the gold may be a better alternative.  Stainless Steel and Titanium may be better still.

2.  There is the "bling" aspect.  It sure looks nice.  A gold rim on a silver cup is especially snazzy.

3.  Gold is more "slippery" than silver.  If you find the silver mouthpiece is "locking" your embouchure you may find the gold is less obstructive.  Note that Lexan is even less slippery than silver.

4.  Gold seems to attract less biomass than silver.  The mouthpiece stays cleaner.

Does it affect playing?  Maybe in respect to #3 above, but probably for no other reason.
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« Reply #24 on: Nov 30, 2017, 10:47AM »

Got my new Bach 12 gold-rimmed mpc today. Now this bad-boy is stylin'!



I'll give the new mpc a test blow this evening. If all is well, one down and one to go.

As I think Bruce mentioned, how you feel about your equipment can translate into how well you can play on it. Some guys like vintage horns with a ton of patina and a few well-placed dings. I think there is a lot to be said for coaxing beautiful sounds out of "ugly" equipment, same as can be said about liking shiny, flashy equipment.

I don't know if the slippy feeling of a gold-rimmed mpc will do anything for me or not, but I know I like how the rascal looks!

And if it makes me feel good, then maybe it will be a better interface between me and my horn than a "plain" one of the same size, etc.

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« Reply #25 on: Nov 30, 2017, 05:10PM »

Okay. It's fine (see above). But there is a slight variation between my silver 12 and this new gold-rimmed 12. I don't see it as a big deal; I just made the adjustment to it and off I went. However, those of you who have THE perfect mpc and will live & die by it, might take a risk by sending off for a new one of it's kind in gold-rim. Just sayin'...

But I personally didn't see any advantage to the gold rim on the first blow. None at all. I mean, other than it looks cool. That's worth something. Then again, I'm not a million-dollar player, either...

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« Reply #26 on: Nov 30, 2017, 05:23PM »

Okay. It's fine (see above). But there is a slight variation between my silver 12 and this new gold-rimmed 12. I don't see it as a big deal; I just made the adjustment to it and off I went. However, those of you who have THE perfect mpc and will live & die by it, might take a risk by sending off for a new one of it's kind in gold-rim. Just sayin'...

But I personally didn't see any advantage to the gold rim on the first blow. None at all. I mean, other than it looks cool. That's worth something. Then again, I'm not a million-dollar player, either...

...Geezer

My short previous experience with a gold rim was that it felt softer/smoother. It seemed to result in better stamina.
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« Reply #27 on: Nov 30, 2017, 05:48PM »

My short previous experience with a gold rim was that it felt softer/smoother. It seemed to result in better stamina.


Okay. That will be something to watch for as it gets more play-time. There probably isn't a 'bone-player alive who wouldn't want more endurance.

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« Reply #28 on: Dec 01, 2017, 01:21PM »

Got my new Bach 12 gold-rimmed mpc today. Now this bad-boy is stylin'!



I'll give the new mpc a test blow this evening. If all is well, one down and one to go.

As I think Bruce mentioned, how you feel about your equipment can translate into how well you can play on it. Some guys like vintage horns with a ton of patina and a few well-placed dings. I think there is a lot to be said for coaxing beautiful sounds out of "ugly" equipment, same as can be said about liking shiny, flashy equipment.

I don't know if the slippy feeling of a gold-rimmed mpc will do anything for me or not, but I know I like how the rascal looks!

And if it makes me feel good, then maybe it will be a better interface between me and my horn than a "plain" one of the same size, etc.

...Geezer
Geezer, after you've done you exercises on IGSOY, you might want to put in a little practice on taking photos where something ... anything ... is in focus. Evil

Does look sweet though!
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« Reply #29 on: Dec 01, 2017, 02:12PM »

Geezer, after you've done you exercises on IGSOY, you might want to put in a little practice on taking photos where something ... anything ... is in focus. Evil

Does look sweet though!

Aww shucks. I didn't know anyone cared!

Here's a more in-focus pic:



A Bach 7 gold-rimmed mpc is now on order for my King 3B/F, as well as a used CL4 for my 4B/F as a test. It will take me a few months to figure out if it's a keeper or not and if so, I might spring for a new gold one for my birthday. Meanwhile, Merry Christmas to me!

I hope those who have a gold-rimmed mpc of any size on order will be happy with it - for whatever reason they have!

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« Reply #30 on: Dec 01, 2017, 02:53PM »

Aww shucks. I didn't know anyone cared!

Here's a more in-focus pic:



A Bach 7 gold-rimmed mpc is now on order for my King 3B/F, as well as a used CL5 for my 4B/F as a test. It will take me a few months to figure out if it's a keeper or not and if so, I might spring for a new gold one for my birthday. Meanwhile, Merry Christmas to me!

I hope those who have a gold-rimmed mpc of any size on order will be happy with it - for whatever reason they have!

...Geezer;:
Much better.  That 2B looks like it's on cloud 9.
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« Reply #31 on: Dec 05, 2017, 07:46AM »

If I had the choice, I'd go Anderson Silver  Plating. I've used them for a mouthpiece before. Higher quality of work than  mouthpiece Express. I have a  mouthpiece from Mouthpiece Express and the gold plating wore off rather quickly. In fact, it is so faded now you'd never know it was gold plated.

 Even better is Doug Elliott. I don't know who he uses, but he has the best gold plating I've ever seen.
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« Reply #32 on: Dec 05, 2017, 10:38AM »

Interesting! I just found the quote they sent me when I was having my stuff plated. August 2011, $125. Oddly, their price went down, after 6 years. Surprising

Gold was about 20% higher in 2011 than it is now. I'm betting that is the reason...Just a guess...
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« Reply #33 on: Dec 05, 2017, 10:49AM »

I did it to have a pretty mouthpiece.

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« Reply #34 on: Dec 05, 2017, 05:56PM »

Gold was about 20% higher in 2011 than it is now. I'm betting that is the reason...Just a guess...
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That would make lots of sense. So their processing cost went up but the good value went down more so the total is a bit less.
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« Reply #35 on: Dec 12, 2017, 10:37PM »

The plated mouthpieces came back today. They turned out nice. I'll post one of them for sale. But some interesting info; Industry standard for gold plated jewelry is supposed to be 7 millionths of an inch. They often have cheap gold plated jewelry come in to be re-plated and they measure as little as 3 millionths of an inch.

As you can see from this work order, they put down 20 millionths of an inch of gold on the rim of these. They're confident this gold isn't going to wear off.





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« Reply #36 on: Dec 12, 2017, 11:36PM »

I predict it won't last very long at all.  That amount is fine for jewelry but nowhere near enough for something like a mouthpiece that sees daily use and wear.

Not even close.
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« Reply #37 on: Dec 13, 2017, 06:41AM »

I predict it won't last very long at all.  That amount is fine for jewelry but nowhere near enough for something like a mouthpiece that sees daily use and wear.

Not even close.

If you have some data it would be great, otherwise it sounds like opinion? Any thickness can be specified for plating. In talking to the professionals, there are some mouthpiece rims washed at 3 millionths, most are likely plated at 7 millionths. The 20 millionths they suggested should last the life of the player. (20 millionths is considered thick enough to last a lifetime of daily use on watch.)

All that said, if we can learn that most rims are plated at a different thickness, that's what I'll go with. But I understand that anything over 20 millionths begins to noticeably change the dimensions of a part.
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« Reply #38 on: Dec 13, 2017, 06:59AM »

The plated mouthpieces came back today. They turned out nice. I'll post one of them for sale. But some interesting info; Industry standard for gold plated jewelry is supposed to be 7 millionths of an inch. They often have cheap gold plated jewelry come in to be re-plated and they measure as little as 3 millionths of an inch.

As you can see from this work order, they put down 20 millionths of an inch of gold on the rim of these. They're confident this gold isn't going to wear off.



Please keep us posted...This could be a good resource for members in the future...

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« Reply #39 on: Dec 13, 2017, 07:41AM »

Please keep us posted...This could be a good resource for members in the future...

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For sure. I played on one last night for quintet. It feels soft & smooth compared to my old silver. I got through a long and strenuous rehearsal feeling good. It would be tough to quantify any endurance increase. But I will say that my lips recovered more quickly afterwards. I didn't have the same irritated chapped feeling I always have after a long session. Plus it looks really nice.
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