Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length

 
Advanced search

1092575 Posts in 72179 Topics- by 19440 Members - Latest Member: drater421
Jump to:  
The Trombone ForumHorns, Gear, and EquipmentInstruments(Moderators: tbone62, Greg Waits) What are the lightest weight Double Rotor Bass Trombones in the marketplace?
Pages: 1 [2]  All   Go Down
Print
Author Topic: What are the lightest weight Double Rotor Bass Trombones in the marketplace?  (Read 1488 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
WayneB
Retrobone: Quit 1975 and Returned 2012

*
*
Offline Offline

Location: Richmond VA
Joined: Feb 25, 2017
Posts: 17
"Retrobone: Quit 1975 and Returned 2012"


View Profile
« Reply #20 on: Dec 01, 2017, 05:50AM »

Other Holtons, the 180 and 185, are generally lighter than the 181. The 181 has too many braces and I don't feel like they're as balanced as other bass trombones. Sometimes it's all about the balance then the weight.

I have tested the dependent 180, and yes it is lighter, plays great..., but the D slide tends to complicate water removal. Dick Reed played the 180 back in Denver, way back. Hey, I like the extra braces, especially when placing the bass in a gig bag...like having "suspenders and a belt."
Wayne
Logged

Retrobone: Quit 1975 and Returned 2012
Denver Symphony Pops Alumnus
Richmond Concert and Chesterfield Bands
“Beware the oft lurking snobbery in the advanced amateur musician"
wgwbassbone
*
Offline Offline

Location: West Hartford, CT
Joined: Jan 19, 2007
Posts: 1882

View Profile
« Reply #21 on: Dec 01, 2017, 01:04PM »

I have tested the dependent 180, and yes it is lighter, plays great..., but the D slide tends to complicate water removal. Dick Reed played the 180 back in Denver, way back. Hey, I like the extra braces, especially when placing the bass in a gig bag...like having "suspenders and a belt."
Wayne

Hey Wayne. What issues do you have with water removal? I've owned 3, recently sold one, and none have any issues with collecting water.
Logged

Holton TR 180 MV 1 and 1/2G
hyperbolica
*
Offline Offline

Location: Eastern US
Joined: Oct 19, 2014
Posts: 1502

View Profile
« Reply #22 on: Dec 02, 2017, 01:48PM »

I just weighed my 1662i. Had to weigh it in pieces because my postal scale only goes to 5 lbs. The slide was 689 grams (1.5 lbs), and the bell section was 1622 grams (3.57 lbs). So the whole horn is 5.07 lbs. That's with the big CR valves, and some leather wrap on the grip areas.
Logged
hyperbolica
*
Offline Offline

Location: Eastern US
Joined: Oct 19, 2014
Posts: 1502

View Profile
« Reply #23 on: Dec 02, 2017, 02:27PM »

Out of curiosity, I also weighed my Olds P24g, with the 9" bell, and lots of nickel silver parts. 631 g slide (1.38 lbs) and 1647 g bell (3.62 lb) for a total of 5.01 lbs.
Logged
WayneB
Retrobone: Quit 1975 and Returned 2012

*
*
Offline Offline

Location: Richmond VA
Joined: Feb 25, 2017
Posts: 17
"Retrobone: Quit 1975 and Returned 2012"


View Profile
« Reply #24 on: Dec 31, 2017, 06:11AM »

Hey Wayne. What issues do you have with water removal? I've owned 3, recently sold one, and none have any issues with collecting water.
Bill, just spotted your post. As I remember it way back in 1975, Dick Reed would complain about the "wide loop" design of the 180 "D" slide, at that time, in not getting enough of the water out efficiently. I do recall Dick having to snort out the water after some vigorous passages, and he was a pretty calm, free blowng player.
Logged

Retrobone: Quit 1975 and Returned 2012
Denver Symphony Pops Alumnus
Richmond Concert and Chesterfield Bands
“Beware the oft lurking snobbery in the advanced amateur musician"
wgwbassbone
*
Offline Offline

Location: West Hartford, CT
Joined: Jan 19, 2007
Posts: 1882

View Profile
« Reply #25 on: Jan 01, 2018, 08:49AM »

Bill, just spotted your post. As I remember it way back in 1975, Dick Reed would complain about the "wide loop" design of the 180 "D" slide, at that time, in not getting enough of the water out efficiently. I do recall Dick having to snort out the water after some vigorous passages, and he was a pretty calm, free blowng player.

Very interesting. 2 of my 180s have the Minick shape crook while the other one I owned with a 10 inch bell and stock D crook. Have never had any water issues-I'm assuming you mean trapped in the crook?
Logged

Holton TR 180 MV 1 and 1/2G
WayneB
Retrobone: Quit 1975 and Returned 2012

*
*
Offline Offline

Location: Richmond VA
Joined: Feb 25, 2017
Posts: 17
"Retrobone: Quit 1975 and Returned 2012"


View Profile
« Reply #26 on: Jan 12, 2018, 04:56AM »

Very interesting. 2 of my 180s have the Minick shape crook while the other one I owned with a 10 inch bell and stock D crook. Have never had any water issues-I'm assuming you mean trapped in the crook?

Yes, exactly...in the crook. Dick would get annoyed, but he still very much liked his 180. If I didn't already have the 181, which I picked up from an estate sale (Detroit Opera player), I would go for the 180...just a great horn.
Logged

Retrobone: Quit 1975 and Returned 2012
Denver Symphony Pops Alumnus
Richmond Concert and Chesterfield Bands
“Beware the oft lurking snobbery in the advanced amateur musician"
Pages: 1 [2]  All   Go Up
Print
Jump to: