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« on: Dec 11, 2017, 06:24AM »

I am primarily a Tenor player, but I`ve gotten into Bass trombone seriously in the last year. Playing in a 10 pcc Jazz group where I`m the Bass Trombone/Tuba chair.
My horn is an older Yamaha 321 single trigger . It`s a great horn and does everything I need. I`m currently playing on a Yamaha 58, which I know is not the biggest mouthpiece around.
I`m pretty happy with the rim feel and size but I`d like something that will give me a little more sock in the low range
Any ideas?
I`m kind of interested in Doug Elliotts 107 Bass rim (I believe it`s some where between 2G & 1 1/1 G size)
I don`t want to go too big rim wise as I don`t use this as my primary horn. but I do have to improvise with it too in the 10 pc. so I don`t want something that could become unweildy
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 11, 2017, 06:42AM »

For me, the best mouthpiece has been the Ferguson V. I've used Bach 2G, Faxx 1 1/2G, Bach 1 1/4G, Yeo replica, DE Euph 108J, Kanstul GR. I know that leaves a lot of popular pieces out, but the Ferguson V really stands out for having a better sound and more power down low. It's larger than the 1 1/2, but doesn't really feel like it. You can easily pick it out of a lineup blind by both sound and feel. The 1 1/4G also gave more power, but it was just a dull sound. The V was better in both aspects. Size isn't everything.
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 11, 2017, 09:21AM »

Something a little deeper than the 1 1/2G / 58 size might be the ticket.  If you are into Doug's pieces maybe look into the LB series 107 J (K if the J isn't deep enough).

I've had good success with Marcinkiewicz 2 and 3 mouthpieces (don't think he still makes the 2 -- it's the George Roberts model).

Good luck with your search.
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 11, 2017, 10:41AM »

I have a Yamaha 59(1 and1/2 size) I'll sell you.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 11, 2017, 11:22AM »

Do you want more stank ( sizzle ) or more punch? The YBL321 I played around with for a while lit up pretty well. Exciting horn. I would think a Yamaha 59 would be big enough to contain some of that while letting you give it more volume and presence in the lower register. I haven’t played any smaller DE bass pieces, but the couple I e played in the LB and XB series have all been great.

Try out some Laskeys if you can, too! While the one I tried was about a size too large on the rim I loved how it felt while playing in the basement. Easy enough to finesse in a smaller band.
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 11, 2017, 12:23PM »

I highly recommend Doug's stuff. IMO on my face his 107 rim feels like a true 1 1/2G piece while is 108 is ever so slightly bigger. His 106 rim is like a true 2g sized piece. Your results may differ depending on the width of the rim and the material.

Also look at his I, J or K cups. They correspond to a traditional 1 1/2G, slightly larger then a 1 1/2G and Schilke 59 respectively. All the the different cups make quite a difference in how a setup plays. Heck even picking his SB or LB series makes a difference. If you're shooting for a 2G or 1 1/2G sized piece I'd pick his SB series... if you're shooting for a Schilke 59 or 1 1/4G size mouthpiece I'd shoot for his LB series.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 11, 2017, 01:39PM »

My horn is an older Yamaha 321 single trigger . It`s a great horn and does everything I need. I`m currently playing on a Yamaha 58, which I know is not the biggest mouthpiece around.
I`m pretty happy with the rim feel and size but I`d like something that will give me a little more sock in the low range
Any ideas?

Cheap and very fine fit for the instrument, and a nice step up from a Yamaha 58 is the ... tada ... Yamaha 59. If you want it a bit larger than that, try a Laskey 85 MD.

I would (yet) not invest in custom pieces, but would explore the 1 1/2 to 1 1/4 range in off-the-shelf pieces first.
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 11, 2017, 03:44PM »

I also recommend, as many before me did, the Yamaha 59. The rim diameter is also around 1.07" (27.22mm in the spec sheet).

The price is not that high, around $70-$80 for silver-plated ones and around $110 for gold-plated.
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 11, 2017, 09:09PM »

Bach Mt. Vernon 2G or 1 1/2G. Good!
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 12, 2017, 03:34AM »

Yes the Yammy 59 is a very good mpc. And the 321 is a very good horn!
You can also try Laskey 85MD (My best mpc) or 90D if you want a bigger piece. Of course Bach 2G or 1 1/2G.
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 12, 2017, 03:38PM »

Yamaha 59, great sound, comfortable rim and cheap. Ideal for doublers.  ;-)
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 14, 2017, 03:19PM »

Thanks for the recommendations. A fellow forum member contacted me and I`ve purchased a Yamaha 59.
Let`s see what happens
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 14, 2017, 03:30PM »

Anyone interested in trading their Yam 59 for my Yam 60? Too big for me.
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 02, 2018, 05:44PM »

So, My Yamaha 59 came in the mail the other day. Popped it in the horn for a minute , Felt good. New years eve and day - No gigs (thank God) heavy Practice time on Tenor and Bass.
The Yamaha 59 is GREAT !!! Big open low range and still workable in the upper ranger which I need for this one band I play with.
Great investment
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 02, 2018, 11:31PM »

Anyone interested in trading their Yam 59 for my Yam 60? Too big for me.

I have a couple I could just send you. Already have a Yamaha 60!
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« Reply #15 on: Jan 04, 2018, 08:06AM »

I have a couple I could just send you. Already have a Yamaha 60!

If you're handing out free Yamaha 59s, count me in Bob!
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« Reply #16 on: Jan 04, 2018, 08:12AM »

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« Reply #17 on: Jan 04, 2018, 12:53PM »

I played a Yamaha 321 for about 12 years until 1990. It is the ideal bass for a tenor player. I recently acquired my own Yamaha 322 (early 90s version of the 321).

I've found the best mouthpiece for this horn is a Holton 1 1/2G or a Kelly 1 1/2G. The Yamaha 59 is a bit bigger than a Bach 1 1/2G and is a decent starter mouthpiece for a double trigger horn. It can with my 830. But there you go.

I also have a Yamaha 60 which I haven't really played.  My Griego .75 is working great for my 830.
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« Reply #18 on: Jan 04, 2018, 05:01PM »

My Yam 60 is free to whomever wants it. (contribution to shipping appreciated though)

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« Reply #19 on: Jan 05, 2018, 07:37AM »

My Yam 60 is free to whomever wants it. (contribution to shipping appreciated though)

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