Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length

 
Advanced search

1092910 Posts in 72340 Topics- by 19432 Members - Latest Member: joshealejo
Jump to:  
Pages: [1]   Go Down
Print
Author Topic: Pbone and playing in tune  (Read 754 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
HeyPauly
*
Offline Offline

Location:
Joined: Apr 13, 2011
Posts: 44

View Profile
« on: Dec 15, 2017, 03:42PM »

I seem to find it nearly impossible to play in tune on my Pbone. I'm wondering is it me that is just terrible or do I chalk it up to the horn. I'm planning on getting a brass horn but I'm not sure if I should bother.
Logged
watermailonman

*
Offline Offline

Location: Sweden
Joined: Aug 1, 2004
Posts: 1482
"Do your best and then do better"


View Profile WWW
« Reply #1 on: Dec 15, 2017, 04:22PM »

I seem to find it nearly impossible to play in tune on my Pbone. I'm wondering is it me that is just terrible or do I chalk it up to the horn. I'm planning on getting a brass horn but I'm not sure if I should bother.

Well...

How long have you been playing? It takes time to learn the positions and it takes time to develope the embouchure.

It is the player who plays an instrument in tune because all instruments are different and the harmonics line up differently. I have a PBone and it is not more out of tune than other horns. It is probably you and not the horn. Have you got a teacher? Let him try the horn. Play scales and long tones. Get a cd with easy tunes and play a long. Don't give up.

/Tom
Logged

Listen to my playing on soundcloud https://soundcloud.com/user-796193724
Visit my page at https://sites.google.com/site/brazzmusic/

Instruments: King 2b+, Kanstul 1570, Kanstul 1662. m-pieces: Bach 6 3/4, Hammond 12 ML, Hammond 20 BL
BGuttman
Mad Chemist

*
*
Offline Offline

Location: Londonderry, NH, USA
Joined: Dec 12, 2000
Posts: 51530
"Almost Professional"


View Profile
« Reply #2 on: Dec 15, 2017, 04:25PM »

Are you trying to play with the plastic mouthpiece that came with it?  Reports have been that it's pretty crummy.  See if it gets better playing with a brass mouthpiece (or even a decent plastic like a Kelly).
Logged

Bruce Guttman
Solo Trombone, Hollis Town Band
Merrimack Valley Philharmonic Orch. President 2017-2018
HeyPauly
*
Offline Offline

Location:
Joined: Apr 13, 2011
Posts: 44

View Profile
« Reply #3 on: Dec 15, 2017, 04:31PM »

I have been using a Faxx 12C mouthpiece with it.
Logged
HeyPauly
*
Offline Offline

Location:
Joined: Apr 13, 2011
Posts: 44

View Profile
« Reply #4 on: Dec 15, 2017, 04:34PM »

Well...

How long have you been playing? It takes time to learn the positions and it takes time to develope the embouchure.

It is the player who plays an instrument in tune because all instruments are different and the harmonics line up differently. I have a PBone and it is not more out of tune than other horns. It is probably you and not the horn. Have you got a teacher? Let him try the horn. Play scales and long tones. Get a cd with easy tunes and play a long. Don't give up.

/Tom

I've been playing on and off for a few years. Thanks for the tips, I will try them out.
Logged
timothy42b
*
Offline Offline

Location: Colonial Heights, Virginia, US
Joined: Dec 7, 2000
Posts: 12460

View Profile
« Reply #5 on: Dec 15, 2017, 04:54PM »

Do you play out of tune, or just think you do?

You have to test it by recording a rehearsal.

I recorded myself recently playing the alto pBone, and while I was clumsy and played some wrong notes (forgetting what position I wanted) the recording showed I played in tune.  Actually I think there's a snip of it here somewhere. 

The pBone does give you less feedback off the bell.  Maybe you're not hearing yourself as well as you're used to. 

The alto is a bit squirrelly, upper octaves are a bit flat and have to be adjusted or you can use alternates.  The tenor is pretty close to how a brass one plays. 
Logged

Tim Richardson
harrison.t.reed
*
Offline Offline

Location: Colorado
Joined: Apr 5, 2007
Posts: 2836
"Spartan Brass Band!"


View Profile
« Reply #6 on: Dec 15, 2017, 10:13PM »

pBones do go flat in the upper register.
Logged

"My technique is as good as Initial D"
T-396A - Griego 1C
88HTCL - Griego 1C
36H - DE XT105, C+, D Alto Shank
3B/F Silversonic - Griego 1A ss
pBone (with Yellow bell for bright tone)
watermailonman

*
Offline Offline

Location: Sweden
Joined: Aug 1, 2004
Posts: 1482
"Do your best and then do better"


View Profile WWW
« Reply #7 on: Dec 16, 2017, 12:40AM »

pBones do go flat in the upper register.

Not my PBone and I'm using the original mouthpiece.

/Tom
Logged

Listen to my playing on soundcloud https://soundcloud.com/user-796193724
Visit my page at https://sites.google.com/site/brazzmusic/

Instruments: King 2b+, Kanstul 1570, Kanstul 1662. m-pieces: Bach 6 3/4, Hammond 12 ML, Hammond 20 BL
svenlarsson

*
Offline Offline

Location: Enskede, Sweden.
Joined: Sep 15, 2001
Posts: 4601

View Profile WWW
« Reply #8 on: Dec 16, 2017, 02:03AM »

Not my PBone and I'm using the original mouthpiece.

/Tom

The same for me. I use the original mpc, not flatt in the high range. If u put a to large mpc in any horn you will be flatt in the high range. Of course you can get used to that and compensate.
Logged

Kanstul 1662. Bach 45B. Kanstul 1555. Besson Euphonium. Kanstul 66-S Tuba. Sackbuts in F/E/Eb Bb/A
And several horns I should sell.
timothy42b
*
Offline Offline

Location: Colonial Heights, Virginia, US
Joined: Dec 7, 2000
Posts: 12460

View Profile
« Reply #9 on: Dec 16, 2017, 06:15AM »

Hmm.  Maybe I should try the original mini pBone mouthpiece then. 
Logged

Tim Richardson
davdud101
The Kid

*
Offline Offline

Location: Detroit, MI
Joined: Jun 20, 2014
Posts: 1098
"Put yourself in the shoes of the listener."


View Profile WWW
« Reply #10 on: Dec 16, 2017, 12:33PM »

Hmm.  Maybe I should try the original mini pBone mouthpiece then. 

I found that to be an interestingly designed piece. Terrible for actual playing, but the overall shape and design is cool
Logged

Don't practice until you get it right.
Practice until you can't get it wrong.
timothy42b
*
Offline Offline

Location: Colonial Heights, Virginia, US
Joined: Dec 7, 2000
Posts: 12460

View Profile
« Reply #11 on: Dec 16, 2017, 04:23PM »

I tried it tonight.

It greatly reduces the flatness in the upper register.  It's almost in tune.

It's a little small for me though. 
Logged

Tim Richardson
svenlarsson

*
Offline Offline

Location: Enskede, Sweden.
Joined: Sep 15, 2001
Posts: 4601

View Profile WWW
« Reply #12 on: Dec 17, 2017, 08:08AM »

Hmm.  Maybe I should try the original mini pBone mouthpiece then. 
Aha you are talking about a PBone in Eb? I have not tried those. I was talking about the regular PBone in Bb.
An alto trombone is difficult to play in tune when you havent practised enough yet.

The Bb PBones could be different from exemplar to exemplar. The ones I tried , maybe 5 or 6 did all play in tune. With the original mpc.
Logged

Kanstul 1662. Bach 45B. Kanstul 1555. Besson Euphonium. Kanstul 66-S Tuba. Sackbuts in F/E/Eb Bb/A
And several horns I should sell.
VJOFan
*
Offline Offline

Location:
Joined: Jul 27, 2017
Posts: 10

View Profile
« Reply #13 on: Dec 19, 2017, 05:28PM »

Tuning has never been an issue for me with the stock mouthpiece or a metal one.

The issue with my particular instrument is that the slide has always been horrible. Like major muscle groups required to move it most of the time.

If I get it really clean and very dry it almost feel free but still will not move without my hand pushing it around.

Is this normal? What do you other pBone users do to get the slide moving?

Wayne
Logged
watermailonman

*
Offline Offline

Location: Sweden
Joined: Aug 1, 2004
Posts: 1482
"Do your best and then do better"


View Profile WWW
« Reply #14 on: Dec 19, 2017, 06:46PM »

Tuning has never been an issue for me with the stock mouthpiece or a metal one.

The issue with my particular instrument is that the slide has always been horrible. Like major muscle groups required to move it most of the time.

If I get it really clean and very dry it almost feel free but still will not move without my hand pushing it around.

Is this normal? What do you other pBone users do to get the slide moving?

Wayne

I play dry. It is not as good as a regular slide but works allright.

/Tom
Logged

Listen to my playing on soundcloud https://soundcloud.com/user-796193724
Visit my page at https://sites.google.com/site/brazzmusic/

Instruments: King 2b+, Kanstul 1570, Kanstul 1662. m-pieces: Bach 6 3/4, Hammond 12 ML, Hammond 20 BL
BGuttman
Mad Chemist

*
*
Offline Offline

Location: Londonderry, NH, USA
Joined: Dec 12, 2000
Posts: 51530
"Almost Professional"


View Profile
« Reply #15 on: Dec 19, 2017, 07:33PM »

Tuning has never been an issue for me with the stock mouthpiece or a metal one.

The issue with my particular instrument is that the slide has always been horrible. Like major muscle groups required to move it most of the time.

If I get it really clean and very dry it almost feel free but still will not move without my hand pushing it around.

Is this normal? What do you other pBone users do to get the slide moving?

Wayne

Did you polish the brass stockings and make sure there are no lifted edges?
Logged

Bruce Guttman
Solo Trombone, Hollis Town Band
Merrimack Valley Philharmonic Orch. President 2017-2018
timothy42b
*
Offline Offline

Location: Colonial Heights, Virginia, US
Joined: Dec 7, 2000
Posts: 12460

View Profile
« Reply #16 on: Dec 20, 2017, 05:34AM »

Did you polish the brass stockings and make sure there are no lifted edges?

That brass corrodes quickly and then the slide drags.

You need to use car paste wax on the slide, and keep it really dry, wipe and swab it after every use. 

I got my tenor working very well that way.  The mini was not quite so successful.  I play for a little bit and then it feels like it gets suction in there. 
Logged

Tim Richardson
Pages: [1]   Go Up
Print
Jump to: