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« Reply #20 on: Dec 30, 2017, 03:23PM »


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« Reply #21 on: Dec 30, 2017, 03:42PM »

And some more..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IE6_K_dlyI


NATHANIEL SHILKRET: Trombone Concerto James Pugh
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« Reply #22 on: Dec 30, 2017, 03:43PM »

When people other than trombone players start asking for trombone concertos we might have a valid existence.
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« Reply #23 on: Dec 30, 2017, 03:45PM »

Trumpet can make itself heard, but not for too long or the player will get tired.

Maybe that's true for amateur/community orchestras, but I can't begin to count the number of live performances of trumpet concerti accompanied by professional regional to top-tier symphony orchestras I've attended to over the years, and I don't ever recall the soloist struggling with endurance issues or making him- or herself heard over the orchestra.

Gee, I thought it was because they were selling vacuum cleaners :-P

Yet more proof that when trombone players don't s*ck they blow.  Evil
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« Reply #24 on: Dec 30, 2017, 04:22PM »

What happened? How did it come to be that new Romantic music is no longer allowed to take root in the concert hall? (Film music doesn't count in this discussion.)
I think you might have answered your own question. It's movie music now. Music for the rabble.
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« Reply #25 on: Dec 31, 2017, 08:07AM »

Thanks, George Lucas, for ruining movie music for us. The theremin and Ed Wood were all we needed  :D.
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« Reply #26 on: Dec 31, 2017, 09:24AM »

Why not more theremin concertos?
We need a double concerto for trombone and theremin.
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« Reply #27 on: Dec 31, 2017, 09:53AM »

Why not more theremin concertos?
We need a double concerto for trombone and theremin.
I'm holding out for alphorn and didgeridoo.

As for late-Romantic concertos, don't forget about Arthur Pryor's stuff he did with Sousa's band.
And Frederick Neil Innes before him. When Innes was with the Gilmore band, he had a rivalry with the cornet soloist (Jules Levy); Levy would play a feature piece and then Innes would play the same piece.

Sadly, I don't think there are any recordings of Innes.
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« Reply #28 on: Dec 31, 2017, 10:13AM »

When people other than trombone players start asking for trombone concertos we might have a valid existence.

There certainly is a problem on the demand side.


I did a count of concertos (and major solo works like "Rhapsody in Blue") programmed in the most recently available League of American Orchestras repertoire report

This included 57 orchestras from A-list to youth orchestras

There were as many concertos for birds programmed as for trombone.  :D

For all instruments, excluding piano and violin, there were only 93 programs



Piano     132

   
Violin     99
Viola       6
Cello      17
Bass        4
   
Flute       6
Cl.         9
Oboe        3
Bassoon     4
Sax         8
   
Horn        9
Trumpet     3
Trombone    2
Tuba        1
   
Percussion  2
tap dancer  2
   
Guitar      3
Harp        9
Harmonica   1

Organ       2
   
   
Birds*      2




*Rautavaara, Einojuhani CONCERTO FOR BIRDS AND ORCHESTRA, "CANTUS ARCTICUS", OP. 6
 
(I'm going to guess that this involves a goose-squeezing.)
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« Reply #29 on: Dec 31, 2017, 10:35AM »

Why not more theremin concertos?
We need a double concerto for trombone and theremin.

I do like Ahos theremin concerto. Very cello like
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« Reply #30 on: Dec 31, 2017, 08:34PM »

The Rautavaara is cool. The birds are recordings he made in Finland. He’s Finnish.
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« Reply #31 on: Dec 31, 2017, 09:39PM »

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« Reply #32 on: Dec 31, 2017, 10:20PM »

The Rautavaara is cool. The birds are recordings he made in Finland. He’s Finnish.

I got a chance to play this last year. Neat piece of music.  Good!
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« Reply #33 on: Jan 01, 2018, 04:08AM »

Why not more theremin concertos?
We need a double concerto for trombone and theremin.

I'm on it!
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« Reply #34 on: Jan 01, 2018, 04:18AM »

We have to eat less pizza and play more with our heart then.... :D

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« Reply #35 on: Jan 01, 2018, 02:10PM »

It's because of a shortage of composers who feel moved to write for the trombone, demand and supply?
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« Reply #36 on: Jan 01, 2018, 02:14PM »

I'd like to see more things like the Malcolm Arnold "Grand, Grand Overture".  Hoffnung is dead.  Anna Russell is dead.  Peter (PDQ Bach) Schickele has virtually retired.  Who will take up the mantle now?

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« Reply #37 on: Jan 02, 2018, 06:56PM »

I've been thinking about this, and there are actually quite a few trombone concertos that fit the bill. Some, like the David, are not so great, but others are truly inspired compositions!

The Grondahl, R. Korsakov, Larsson, Nesterov, Bourgeois, Guilmant, Rota and Tomasi concertos come to mind. There are many more. Maybe you just didn't know about some of these works?
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« Reply #38 on: Jan 02, 2018, 08:34PM »

What do you suppose a trombone soloist would be typically be paid for a concerto performance?

Is there a union minimum for that?



I've been thinking about this, and there are actually quite a few trombone concertos that fit the bill. Some, like the David, are not so great, but others are truly inspired compositions!

The Grondahl, R. Korsakov, Larsson, Nesterov, Bourgeois, Guilmant, Rota and Tomasi concertos come to mind. There are many more. Maybe you just didn't know about some of these works?

The Rimsky-Korsakov concerto is honorable but it certainly falls short what we remember him for.


There is a trombone concerto by Guilmant?
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« Reply #39 on: Jan 02, 2018, 09:00PM »

What do you suppose a trombone soloist would be typically be paid for a concerto performance?

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We pay all our soloists the same stipend.  Orchestra members get less (half).  Students get nothing.  But we aren't the Boston Symphony (although we have had a few Boston Symphony players do solos with us).
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