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« on: Jan 05, 2018, 07:28PM »

Yes, a Bach with 2 K valves in a row. They do exist!

And the horn is pretty good.

The owner of it played a 42K for years at a high level. And playing this, I can see why someone would be happy with a K valve on their instrument.

What I really love is the valve wraps, which you don't see much on trombones today in this form!

Check out the video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs9oCyxj0Mg

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« Reply #1 on: Jan 05, 2018, 09:55PM »

Interesting.

Re: your comments in the video - Denis got a new horn and I'm pretty sure he's not playing the 42K anymore, but I could be wrong.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 05, 2018, 09:56PM »

Interesting.

Re: your comments in the video - Denis got a new horn and I'm pretty sure he's not playing the 42K anymore, but I could be wrong.

Yup! He's playing a 42AFG now, straight from the factory.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 05, 2018, 10:02PM »

I didnt realise they were unusual. The university I did my undergrad at owned a bach 50 with 2 K valves that students could use. It wasnt awesome.....
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 05, 2018, 10:05PM »

I would assume any school owned instrument is not going to be awesome!

If you get a chance, you should blow this one. Some things about it are better than your horn, I think...  Evil
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 05, 2018, 11:37PM »

A mate of mine had one, from new I think, in the early 2000's. An ex-student of mine owns it now. I remember it being a decent horn, if not astounding. I suspect, given my preference these days for basses with as much neck/head clearance as possible, that I wouldn't be able to get a 50K3 into a satisfactory position on my face.

I have a Bach 42 which started life as a 42K. It was a good horn then, but it got even better once I put an Ed Thayer valve on it.

If you can hang with the ergonomics and the heaviness of the throw, they can be a fine valve. Assuming, like all Bach's, you find a decent one.

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« Reply #6 on: Jan 06, 2018, 03:35AM »

Someone brought one in for me to try when they first came out. I thought it was dreadful. It was very heavy indeed and I noticed that the bore of the tube entering the valve was much smaller than the valve wrap tube. I was not surprised when they did not become popular.

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« Reply #7 on: Jan 06, 2018, 04:06AM »

I've had a 42K since entering college in 1996.  I think it plays great but I do so few things that require a horn like a 42 that it doesn't see the light of day very frequently.
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 06, 2018, 10:54AM »

Yes, a Bach with 2 K valves in a row. They do exist!

And the horn is pretty good.

The owner of it played a 42K for years at a high level. And playing this, I can see why someone would be happy with a K valve on their instrument.

What I really love is the valve wraps, which you don't see much on trombones today in this form!

Check out the video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs9oCyxj0Mg



Aidan, I like this and your videos recently on all the valve sections.  You are really knocking them out lately.  Keep up the good work.  I used to have a Bach 42KD (detachable bell) with lightweight slide on special order back in '97, until I got wind that Bach started ordering Thayer valves from Ed Thayer and I changed my request from a 42K to the 42T, although the 42T did not offer the detachable bell option.  Of course I still have the 42T.
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 06, 2018, 05:51PM »

Wow Eeek! that one must weigh a TON...  Amazed
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 08, 2018, 05:01AM »

I would assume any school owned instrument is not going to be awesome!

If you get a chance, you should blow this one. Some things about it are better than your horn, I think...  Evil

Why would you assume that any school instrument wouldn't be awesome? High school up the street from me owns 2 Yamaha 830 bass trombones. Very nice instruments.
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 08, 2018, 06:00AM »

Why would you assume that any school instrument wouldn't be awesome? High school up the street from me owns 2 Yamaha 830 bass trombones. Very nice instruments.

I believe the assumption is the care taken in maintaining the instruments, not the quality of the instrument itself.
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 08, 2018, 06:38AM »

I believe the assumption is the care taken in maintaining the instruments, not the quality of the instrument itself.


Maybe.
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 08, 2018, 06:55AM »

I believe the assumption is the care taken in maintaining the instruments, not the quality of the instrument itself.


100% that's what is meant and also what is my experience.  The HS I went to had an Elkhart 62H that was beat within an inch of its life. They refurbished it and then less than a year later it was being used for marching band and similarly go trashed again.  School instruments are notoriously ill maintained. Its a pleasant surprise when otherwise unfortunately. That poor Elkhart  :cry:
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 08, 2018, 09:48AM »

Maybe.

I'm not sure how you could interpret it any other way!

There's schools out there with Edwards and Shires.
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« Reply #15 on: Jan 08, 2018, 10:05AM »

I'm not sure how you could interpret it any other way!

There's schools out there with Edwards and Shires.
Because itís possible for an instrument to be in average to poor condition and still have a great sound.
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« Reply #16 on: Jan 08, 2018, 10:23AM »

Yes... I have a complete beater 50B that is pretty great.

But an instrument in poor condition (including my 50B) is a lot harder to play, and therefore sound good. Especially for someone with a lot less time on the horn.
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« Reply #17 on: Jan 08, 2018, 10:34AM »

Yes... I have a complete beater 50B that is pretty great.

But an instrument in poor condition (including my 50B) is a lot harder to play, and therefore sound good. Especially for someone with a lot less time on the horn.

I have a beater Holton 169.... holes patched in the bell, dents everywhere including the slide.... one of the easiest playing, best sounding instruments I have ever owned... one of my students, after trying it, asked that I never bring it in to a lesson again.... they did not want to be reminded of it ever again !

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« Reply #18 on: Jan 08, 2018, 10:38AM »

Yes... I have a complete beater 50B that is pretty great.

But an instrument in poor condition (including my 50B) is a lot harder to play, and therefore sound good. Especially for someone with a lot less time on the horn.

Yeh thanks for the advice. I didn't know any of that. You should think about doing some online lessons on YouTube as we could all learn a lot. That video you posted at the beginning of this thread is Dy-no-mite!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #19 on: Jan 08, 2018, 10:39AM »

Well, I'm glad we got to this point.

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