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« on: Jan 11, 2018, 11:32AM »

Intriguing stuff from Jay Friedman's site at at http://www.jayfriedman.net/articles/equipment_notes  ...

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The new Bach 42BOF model will feature a European designed “Open Flow” valve. This is the most responsive valve on a Bach trombone that I have ever played. It will be available as a “42CUSTOM” in the Jay Friedman configuration, with a lightweight gold brass bell, and an option for a lightweight nickel 42 or 50 hand slide. This trombone will be available in early 2018, and will be a great addition to the Bach trombone line!

I would also like to see the reintroduction of the Bach model 45. The model 45 had a 9 inch bell and some had a dual bore slide. I am not a fan of dual bore slides because the overtone series of each inner slide tube will be different and this will cause each octave to be in a slightly different slide position, and we already have enough of those variants don’t we?
The 45 would serve both tenor and bass trombones players as a doubling instrument. There are many ensemble pieces calling for one trombone. Many times it is difficult to discern whether the part is meant for a tenor or bass instrument. Then there is the occasional “tenor-bass” delineation, which both Wagner and Stravinsky have called for, and which seems to be a fitting description of the model 45. The 45 would be a perfect doubling instrument for a tenor player who doesn’t play bass trombone, and the perfect doubler for the bass trombone player who doesn’t play tenor.
The 45 would also make a perfect 2nd trombone in a modern band/orchestra low brass section, because it would correspond to the old German formula of progressively larger sized descending voices; i.e. alto, tenor, bass. This concept is the same idea as a choir of voices comprised of S,A,T, B as opposed to identical sized instruments, which would emulate the T,T,B,B color. While the latter’s advantage is more blend, the former has the advantage of both blend and color.
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 11, 2018, 11:40AM »

Meinlschmidt rotor?

And bringing the 45 back? Weird choice there. Is there any market for that at all?
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 11, 2018, 11:47AM »

Conn had (has?) the 88HK. 9" bell. Would be mated with .547/.562 slide presumably.

I haven't run into any in the wild. I'm guessing the market is not demanding this product.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 11, 2018, 11:48AM »

Conn had (has?) the 88HK. 9" bell. Would be mated with .547/.562 slide presumably.

I haven't run into any in the wild. Has "bigger is better" run its course?

That 9" is from the 5B, right? Another "tweener" horn not made anymore. Not to say I don't like them, but pretty oddball.
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 11, 2018, 11:50AM »

When did they discontinue the 5B and when did they bring out the HK? Was there a period of overlap?
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 11, 2018, 11:53AM »

Jay doesn't say they're reintroducing the 45B. He says he would like them to.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 11, 2018, 12:00PM »

Jay doesn't say they're reintroducing the 45B. He says he would like them to.

You're right.
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 11, 2018, 12:01PM »

Oops - Have edited title
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 11, 2018, 12:50PM »

Here's a link to what appears to be a German site listing the 42BOF.  Interesting....

https://www.musikmarkt-plauen.de/laden_gewaartikel.php?gewaart=706923501
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 11, 2018, 01:04PM »



Is that not just a La Rosa setup on the A47? Or maybe the wrong picture.
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 11, 2018, 01:13PM »

I guess the important thing to note about this announcement is that it means the Friedman style star bell is back in production!
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 11, 2018, 01:48PM »

I guess the important thing to note about this announcement is that it means the Friedman style star bell is back in production!

Those bells are great. I had one for a while and it was the best gold bell I’ve ever played.
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 11, 2018, 01:56PM »

The instrument shown in the German link is specific to the German market, and is being sold as an "Anniversary Model". (I don't remember "which" anniversary is being celebrated). So no, that is not the horn in question.

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« Reply #13 on: Jan 12, 2018, 04:26PM »

Only this time the refreshed Friedman model will sport the..... (drumroll please) fresh scent  orange peel lacquer.  :(
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 12, 2018, 06:03PM »

Conn had (has?) the 88HK. 9" bell. Would be mated with .547/.562 slide presumably.

I haven't run into any in the wild. I'm guessing the market is not demanding this product.
Huh.  I love the 45B, I have two, but this is not going to be popular.

The sound fits in nicely as he said, but the horn as engineered doesn’t fit in. I wonder why this is. All other sizes have adapted to a fairly consistent response and tuning layout, but that small bass tweener size hasn’t been corrected to fit in.

Well, to the resurgence of the 45B!
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« Reply #15 on: Jan 12, 2018, 06:15PM »

I met Charlie Vernon a couple of months ago while he was in L.A. and he mentioned that he was working on a signature instrument with Bach currently as well. I cant remember all the details he mentioned but it sounded good. He had a bach made dual bore slide which he said would be part of this new instrument.
Havent heard or read anything about it anywhere else though.
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« Reply #16 on: Jan 12, 2018, 06:27PM »

The dual bore overtone series thing is not something I had heard of before. Very interesting.

I have thought about picking up a "small bass" or "larger than symphony" tenor for a while.

I wonder what this valve he is talking about is. Most responsive valve ever played?
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« Reply #17 on: Jan 12, 2018, 10:00PM »

A Charlie Vernon artist series Bach? Take my money!!
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« Reply #18 on: Jan 13, 2018, 09:27PM »

A Charlie Vernon artist series Bach? Take my money!!

Yeah it sounded good. Im just trying to remember what he said it would have... he definitely said it would have the dual bore slide and also a longer bell. He seemed to think a lot of bachs had bells that are too short.... ugh I cant remember. Hopefully it actually happens though!
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« Reply #19 on: Jan 13, 2018, 10:32PM »

I have some people I know at Bach that I want to ask!
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