... that's what i was afraid of...
um... i take it that they are written a major 6th higher than they sound?
...such that if i have a concert Eb on bottom line treble clef, it would transpose UP to third space C? is this true?... i think it is... but just checking to be sure!!!
I think you may have it backwards.
(a written G) comes out as Bb and is played OPEN.
Your open notes are (bottom to top) Eb, Bb, Eb, G, Bb, [Db], Eb, written C, G, C, E, G, [Bb], C. The Db I put in square brackets is like our Ab in 1st that is too flat to play.
So your Eb on the bottom of the treble staff will come out G, and is played 1-2.
Hope I haven't confused you too much.