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« on: Jul 06, 2005, 07:05AM »

does anybody know:

1. when the first 3B was made
2. when King left Cleveland, and the HN White label came off the horns
3. If today's 3Bs are teh same as the ones from the 60s and 70s as far as materials. Are they lighter?
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 06, 2005, 10:49AM »

Hi John,

I'm also interested in the history of King trombones. The H.N. White website (www.hnwhite.com) gives some information, but it's just a few bits and pieces.

I'd like to get a book on the subject, but I haven't found one yet. I'd appreciate any leads.

I wish I had a complete collection of King catalogs through the years.  I've seen a few of them for sale.

I believe the answer to your question #2 is 1965, when the company was sold and the plant moved to Eastlake.

Let's keep digging.

JK
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« Reply #2 on: Jul 06, 2005, 11:07AM »

340,000's  --3b   built w  longer tuning bow
slightly shorter slide
smaller   lettering  on engraving  
ads  introducing  --1956
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« Reply #3 on: Jul 07, 2005, 03:26AM »

From what I understand, the 3B was being worked on as early as the late 40s.  From what I remember (and I could be wrong) Tommy Dorsey was helping with design, and was testing some of the first prototypes. (there was an earlier model of the 3B, from the 20s, which is not to be confused with the later model.)
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« Reply #4 on: Jul 07, 2005, 08:54AM »

So when was the first HN White 3B released? 50s? does anybody have one that old?
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 07, 2005, 10:27AM »

Just had a customer in, Joe Benett,(for those who dont know Joe, he is a great trombonist, with a lot of stories about, Dorsey, Teagarden, etc) who said the first time he saw someone playing the 3B was Big Chief Moore, with Louis Armstrong in the late 50s/early 60's.  He says he also remembers Cutty Cutshaw playing one in 1962.

I have a call into one of my teachers, Eddie Bert, who might remember when he first saw them appear.

I have not taken notice of the dates of those that have come through my shop.
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« Reply #6 on: Jul 07, 2005, 12:25PM »

I believe Bob Curnow said he got his in 55 or 56.  He said the long tuning slide model was the one, all the later ones just so so...
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 07, 2005, 12:27PM »

Eddie Bert said that he thought is was the late 50's when he started to see them.
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 07, 2005, 01:33PM »

I am getting one soon from 1970. It has the HN White weight on it. I hope it is as good as the 60s HN Whites!
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 22, 2005, 06:04AM »

I just got one on EBAY that is 1960....that is the oldest 3B I have heard of personally.
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« Reply #10 on: Jul 23, 2005, 01:37PM »

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I believe Bob Curnow said he got his in 55 or 56.  He said the long tuning slide model was the one, all the later ones just so so...

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---  long tuning  slide  //shorter slide
small  letter   engraving  pattern  --1955  serial no
 340==350,000's
pale  yellow  finish //blows  great  
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