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« on: Jan 04, 2006, 12:24PM »

I was wondering if anyone has played or owns a Bach 42A.  If I've got this right, they are a Bach 42, (gold brass bell), with a Hageman valve, open wrap and standard weight slide.   I understand that the valve has a short throw but open blowing.  Also, I was wondering if the valve was comfortable next to the neck while playing?  How is Bach quality control as of late?

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« Reply #1 on: Jan 04, 2006, 12:38PM »

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first of all the 42A has a yellow brass bell. if you want a goldbrass bell you have to order  a 42 G A.

my friend has bought a bach 42 A  recently. superb craftmanship. perfect laquer finish. lightning fast slide. smooth as glass.

the horn plays gorgeous.  Good!

i prfer te hagman valve over the thayer. it is qieter, faster, much lighter and very easy to clean and lubricate. the second benefit is that due to the open wrap design the bell becomes very vibrant because here are just a few braces.

at the midwest clinic this year there was bach 42A at the conn-selmer both. played great. serial number 187xxx as far as i can remember. qualitiy is very good now i think.

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« Reply #2 on: Jan 04, 2006, 02:13PM »

When I played a 42A at WWBW I feel in love with it.  Slide was great, the whole horn blew very openly and sounded gorgeous.  And I just loved the short throw feel to the Hagmann.  The valve didn't bother my shoulder at all, didn't get in the way or anything, and it felt very light.  Quick action, and the F side felt almost as open as the Bb side of the horn.  I definitely liked it more than the Bach 42T and 42B.  Also, a fellow trombonist in a local community band (whenever he gets a break from service) who is in the army band has a 42A and he just screams on it and he has such an amazing tone with it.  He definitely picked a well made 42A.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 04, 2006, 02:29PM »

the 42A comes in all the usual varieties of the bach 42. It comes standard with a yellow brass bell and heavy slide, but you can get a lightweight slide and a gold brass bell if you want.

They didn't have any 42A's when I was looking for a new one, so I picked up a 42T instead. I haven't had the chance to try a haggman valve yet, so I have no basis of comparison between it and the OE thayer that goes on the 42T.

I would like to try the haggman at some point however. definitely.
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 04, 2006, 02:33PM »

i forget to say that the hagman valve did not bother my shoulder.


have you ever seen this: www.millervalve.com  ????

glenda from greenhoe.com told me that te new bach42 tuning in slide will be ready in some time.

i would be also worth play testing!!?!?!?!?!
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 04, 2006, 02:44PM »

I'd like to see a cross-section of the miller valve. it looks suspiciously like a K-valve.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 04, 2006, 02:49PM »

but its much lighter and faster and not so stiffy and stuffy. the k valve wasnīt a godd invention in my mind. maybe thatīs the reason why bach does not offer them anymore.
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 04, 2006, 06:59PM »

I have been looking into purchasing a K-Valve Bach 42.  Would this be unwise?  Is it a "stiff and stuffy" valve like the poster above mentioned?
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 05, 2006, 12:31AM »

i have played many 42īs in the past.

the K valve is the worst valve available.......or should i say unavailable???

try the thayer or the fantastic hagman. or a miller retro kit...great
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 05, 2006, 07:49AM »

I have tried a Bach A (Hagmann valve, gold-brass bell, nickel-silver slide) several weeks ago and it was phantastic. One of the best Bachs I ever tried. The valve was also very impressive.
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 05, 2006, 01:29PM »

Quote from: "boneg21"
I have been looking into purchasing a K-Valve Bach 42.  Would this be unwise?  Is it a "stiff and stuffy" valve like the poster above mentioned?

The k valves are no longer being made thankfully.  

I would avoid buying one of the leftovers that had the k valve installed.
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 05, 2006, 01:30PM »

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I have been looking into purchasing a K-Valve Bach 42.  Would this be unwise?  Is it a "stiff and stuffy" valve like the poster above mentioned?

The k valves are no longer being made thankfully.  

I would avoid buying one of the leftovers that had the k valve installed.  

The 42A plays very nice.  I found it kind of centered the horn up some.  Strangely, it played a LOT like my 682B.
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 05, 2006, 01:40PM »

well  i  guess they  are  ok  !!
 after reading these  comments  
i recently examined a  bass  bone which had a  leaky hagman '
this  valve  was  descolored  //and  water was  coming out the  bottom
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  an older  42b  or straight bell  could probably be done  modular
with the   hagman -
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good slides  on new  horns -------thats  good  news   too
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so i  ammend my advice  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
not to sell  off  an elkhart 88h to fibance a  new new  42a
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i had reservations about new  horns that  need  break in slide jobs
and the  valve  itself
 as well as  the  price  of new horn
compared to used shires   ///edwards    etc
or a customized 42
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 05, 2006, 01:54PM »

hi dj


generally i agree, but there are new 42īs  out there for which i would give 2 elkhart 88`s!`??!? Hi  Yeah, RIGHT.
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 05, 2006, 08:31PM »

ha ha   maybe  4or 6    like than junky  m series  i sent  you !!!!!!!!!



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generally i agree, but there are new 42īs  out there for which i would give 2 elkhart 88`s!`??!? Hi  Yeah, RIGHT.
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« Reply #15 on: Jan 06, 2006, 12:13PM »

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generally i agree, but there are new 42īs  out there for which i would give 2 elkhart 88`s!`??!? Hi  Yeah, RIGHT.



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« Reply #16 on: Jan 09, 2006, 12:40PM »

hi rwallace7 Hi  Hi  Hi

have you already seen this??

http://cgi.ebay.com/Bach-Stradivarius-Model-42A-Trombone-WOW_W0QQitemZ7380864232QQcategoryZ16216QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Good!  Good!  Good!
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« Reply #17 on: Jan 19, 2006, 09:05PM »

I had a friend in high school who had a 42A and it was a fabulous horn that felt as free blowing as my 50B Bass.  My sister just recently got herself a 50A Bass and it play excellent with a very very good low register all the was to the end of my range with louds and softs coming out very well.  I think that Hagemann valve is the best valve I have ever played on a Bass trombone
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« Reply #18 on: Jan 19, 2006, 11:55PM »

I wrote a review of this horn - see Music123, WWBW, etc.  I played the leading contenders at Chuck Levins in DC in December, 2005 when I bought my Shires big horn.  The 42A (yellow bell) was a great horn and it would have come home with me but for trying the Shires.  I think a 42GA (Gold Brass bell) would be a great horn to try out.  The Bach slides all felt great.
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« Reply #19 on: Jan 20, 2006, 12:45PM »

i share your opinion. there are valves which are working fine with some horns...or most horns...some of them do not work well. in my opinion especialy some thayers, please forgive me folks! the hagman valve works great on the new bachs. also the slides are working great .....i have never made a negative experience. have treid about 20-30 new bachs...evry slide was working smooth, fast and quiet! Good!
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