quote:Originally posted by Mike Brebes:But you need to make the instructor aware, BEFORE the lessons even begin, that you are interested in working on 18th and 19th century counterpoint techniques, NOT 20th century. It is my feeling that you aren't really interested in a "20th century" approach, and prefer the structured tonal and contrapuntal techniques.
quote:"He was pushing me to write freely, using more modern techniques (I picked up the Persichetti book on 20th century harmony on his recommendation), but I didn't feel my skills were up to that; I think I wanted more theory than he was prepared to teach me."
quote:Originally posted by Mike Brebes:You might want to do some study in "form and analysis" of modern music. You should be able to find books that cover a lot of that.
quote:Is that more what you're looking for?
quote:When I get a chance, I will pull out my documentation for my previous classes and see if there are any other recommendations I can make for you.
quote:Originally posted by rlb: Ahem.
quote:BFW, I am assuming that you have a fairly decent grounding in traditional theory, and will proceed under that aegis.
quote:Vincent Persichetti: Twentieth Century Harmony
quote:Paul Hindemith The Craft of Musical Composition
quote:Felix Salzer: Structural Hearing.
quote:Norton Series, ed. Robert Morgan: Anthology of Twentieth Century Music.
quote:I might also recommend the George Macdonald Fraser "Flashman" series to read in between.
quote:Originally posted by Mike Brebes:The Norton: Anthology of 20th Century Music is a good book for introducing you to the various composers and the compositional techniques that they used. This will help you get the basics of the techniques.
quote:Regarding your statement about wanting to complete a piece in 16th Century style, then you need to do the homework.
quote:If we took away the ones that had contrapuntal or harmonic errors, what would be the difference between the good and bad of the remaining ones?
quote:Composing can be a very frustrating task at times because of all the abstract parts that can't be taught in a book.
quote:Hope my comments help in some way.
quote: I care less about whether what I write is historically accurate, and more about whether it "works" to my own ears. I want practice in writing parts that fit together properly, so I reduce the amount of time I spend saying, "Oh, that doesn't work."
quote:Originally posted by Doc Bann:Theory comes to your rescuse when your ear paints you into a corner. The more theory you know the more corners you can escape from. Having had to try and crawl across the ceilings many times I know of what I speak.
quote:One suggestion I have for you is this.
quote:We've taken your honest and straight-forward question and harangued you with a ton of information and opinion. Our comments are made with the best of all possible intentions. I can see where it might come across as overwhelming and I sensed a bit of that in some of your responses.