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« on: Jan 12, 2008, 02:48PM »

I've run into three shaving problems. 

One is the skin under the bottom lip get irritated by the mouthpiece.  I've known some people who let the hairs grow a bit a la Dizzy. 

Two is a poorly placed nick. 

Three, and currently, is a slight shaving of the pink lip skin where it meets the outer skin.  It's like taking a a layer off that is so thin you don't realize it until later.  By then the lip skin is drying and cracking and makes the embouchure stiff. 
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 12, 2008, 03:51PM »

Electric shaver.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 12, 2008, 04:05PM »

I've run into the dried skin issue when shaving sometimes.
Maybe change what your shaving with? Not necessarily blade, but what cream you use.
I use the Gillette Fusion shaving foam. (In the orange bottles) It makes my skin feel more moist and refreshed and easier to shave the next time. You don't have to switch to this but be aware of what you're using.
Or, you could start using some sort of face wash. Something that you put on every morning and night for a few weeks.
It could be the quality of skin on your face, if this is the case of of the above should work.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 14, 2008, 09:49PM »


Baileyman writes:

> the skin under the bottom lip get irritated
> by the mouthpiece.  I've known some people
> who let the hairs grow a bit a la Dizzy.

I have a similar problem with that area becoming irritated if it's not cleanly shaved.  My sole attempt to grow a beard since starting to play again eight years ago only made matters worse; the more the "soul patch" grew in, the more easily irritated the skin around it became when I played.  It might have worked for Diz, but it didn't work for me!


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« Reply #4 on: Jan 15, 2008, 06:07AM »

Electric shaver - I use a microscreen style - for my lower lip.
If you don't have an electric, then make sure you are using a new, sharp razor - The new Gillette Fusion 5 is the least irritating of all that I have tried.  Replacement cartridges are kinda pricey, but worth it, IMHO.  Rinse it a lot. 
Also, get a shaving cream that has aloe, try to avoid ones with a high alcohol content.  Spend the money on something decent.
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 17, 2008, 06:55AM »

As a bass trombonist with a mustache, I find I have to shave (daily) the middle area of my top lip and keep it free of any hair, right were the mouthpiece rim sits on the upper lip.

If I am not careful and allow mustache hair/hairs to grow in this area, they will poke into my upper lip and cause some bleeding to take place.

It looks kind of dumb, but do I want to have the perfect mustache or play bass trombone?

I use a Gillette blade, since I don't handle electric shavers well, as I get ingrown hairs, especially on my neck with electric razors. With blade shaving, I never experience this; however, I must add I have not tried "electric-shaving" in probably 25 years and I am sure there have been huge strides in "electric-shaving" technology.

Anybody have a brand/model recommendation which might handle my ingrown-hair issue on the neck? Fire away. I am always interested in new things to play around with!
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 17, 2008, 07:04AM »

Standard Gillette blade here but I always carry an electric shaver in the car. The reason I went to gold mpc's was when I had a mustache I hated to play my horn do to the feel of the mpc. The gold mpc just feels so much better now and before when I didn't used to shave.
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 20, 2008, 09:06PM »

I have thisk whiskers and sensitive skin. Not a friendly combination for shaving! I have yet to meet an electric shaver that can cut my whiskers properly (without pulling them out). I used one as a teen but had to switch to a blade as my beard got heavier.

Right now, since I haven't had a beard since the day after Halloween, I shave every other day. I can't shave every day without tearing my face up. Every third day is perfect, but too long in between for aesthetics. So I do every other day. Carefully!

Overall, my stage of stubble growth doesn't affect my playing comfort too much, but it is most comfortable either right after shaving (very clean) or after a couple days when it starts to soften. I also played for years with a full beard and never had a problem.....
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 21, 2008, 02:22AM »

I go along with Dave.
I have had a full beard for the last 47 years and it has never caused me a problem except the one time I shaved it off. My wife asked me to shave it off before we got married. She wanted to know what she was getting. Fortunately, as soon as she saw what I looked like underneath, she insisted I grew it back again :-P.
The only thing I have to do is keep my moustache line trimmed short to clear the mouthpiece but that can be done with scissors. The whole beard gets trimmed about every couple of months so I do not look like a trombone player in a ZZ-Top tribute band.

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« Reply #9 on: Jan 21, 2008, 03:51AM »

Dave, why didn't you keep the beard? It looks good on you.

(So does that leather jockstrap! :-P)
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 21, 2008, 12:50PM »

I'd had a beard most of the time since college and wanted a change. I had already gone from a full beard (like in the picture) to a goatee. After having the goatee for a couple of years, I decided to shave it all off because I couldn't remember what I looked like without facial hair (I hadn't been clean-shaven for over 7 years). I'm sure I'll grow it back again some day, maybe for next Halloween!

The only problem is that just recently, I have started getting some thick, pure white whiskers in my beard. They drive me nuts so I pluck them out. I think I may have reached the point where shaving is less of a hassle than keeping on top of the white whiskers.

Plus, everybody says I look ten years younger without the beard.... :/
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 28, 2008, 03:47PM »

Electric shavers don't work well for me.  I keep a raggedy soul patch, other than that shave every three or four days.  When I had a "moustash" I had to trim the inside to keep the mouthpiece from sending little angry hairs under the skin.  I play better with out the 'stash anyway.

Try many shavers and see what works best for you.
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« Reply #12 on: Feb 05, 2008, 04:46AM »

I had a similar problem, but mostly on my upper lip. The irritation would often result in in-grown hairs that would take over a week to get rid of.

Here is what I have found that works for me, and I haven't had an in-grown hair in over 8 months, since I started this. First of all, electric shavers don't work for me. Here is a good combo for me.

Razor: Bic "Metal" razor (yes, it is called "Metal"), it is a single blade razor
Prep1: Either shower or pre-moisten whiskers with warm water for at least a minute
Prep2: Nancy Boy brand Pre-shave Oil (Yes, Nancy Boy is a real brand and it's high quality)
Shave cream: Either King of Shaves gel (they make several), or a high quality shave cream, like Nancy Boy, or Taylor of Old Bond Street, Trumper or Proraso--applied by hand--NO BRUSH
Technique: Minimize the number of passes on the sensitive area, use a light touch.
Post1: Rinse and lightly dry face:
Post2: Apply "Tend Skin" to problem area
Post3: Apply non-alcohol-based after-shave balm. I use Proraso, Trumper, Musgo Real, Nancy Boy or Nivea.

It sounds like a lot of steps, but my shave only takes about a minute longer than it used to, and I have almost no razor burn, and no in-grown hairs in my mouthpiece area for a long time. It's worth it for me.

John

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Tend Skin post-shave stuff
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« Reply #13 on: Feb 05, 2008, 09:38AM »

I have sensitive skin. Ingrown hairs have been a problem as long as I have been shaving. My embouchure area would flare up to the point of being disabling far too often. My "hates facial hair" wife finally told me to grow the beard so I could keep playing.

My beard is sparse and has lots of white in it now. Not particularly attractive, but that's never been much of an issue to me. It does add 10 years to my appearance that, at 58, are becoming less welcome since all else but my knees are holding up well.

I just resumed shaving all but my mustache and the "royale". Those I trim short with scissors. I shave every other day, as I too have found more frequent inclined to produce too many ingrown hairs.  Mostly I use a double-blade Schick with water and shaving cream out of a tube. Once in a while I use my Norelco 3-head rotary, but it tends to produce razor burn and ingrown hairs.

I find I MUST shave before my shower. My skin has to be firm and dry underneath the shaving lather. If I shower and soften the skin first, ingrown hairs are like grass in the springtime - everywhere... and definitely not comfortable.

This pattern seems to be working well. The short hairs of my embouchure don't get jammed under my skin like shaved ones did, yet aren't so long they degrade my playing significantly. Though I've always been an all-or-nothing guy on my beard, the new look suits me as neat and functional.  I suspect this is a keeper.

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« Reply #14 on: Feb 05, 2008, 10:30AM »

I can't believe that "Nancy Boy" is a real product!

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    A tuft of hair under the lower lip (without a goatee, but perhaps worn with a moustache). The royale was historically worn by French officers as a badge or adornment of military rank or status. It is also known as an impériale or flavour-saver.

Americans call it a "soul-patch".

Have any of you ever tried a Braun self-cleaning shaver?
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« Reply #16 on: Feb 05, 2008, 11:49AM »

I had a similar problem, but mostly on my upper lip. The irritation would often result in in-grown hairs that would take over a week to get rid of.

Here is what I have found that works for me, and I haven't had an in-grown hair in over 8 months, since I started this. First of all, electric shavers don't work for me. Here is a good combo for me.

Razor: Bic "Metal" razor (yes, it is called "Metal"), it is a single blade razor
Prep1: Either shower or pre-moisten whiskers with warm water for at least a minute
Prep2: Nancy Boy brand Pre-shave Oil (Yes, Nancy Boy is a real brand and it's high quality)
Shave cream: Either King of Shaves gel (they make several), or a high quality shave cream, like Nancy Boy, or Taylor of Old Bond Street, Trumper or Proraso--applied by hand--NO BRUSH
Technique: Minimize the number of passes on the sensitive area, use a light touch.
Post1: Rinse and lightly dry face:
Post2: Apply "Tend Skin" to problem area
Post3: Apply non-alcohol-based after-shave balm. I use Proraso, Trumper, Musgo Real, Nancy Boy or Nivea.

It sounds like a lot of steps, but my shave only takes about a minute longer than it used to, and I have almost no razor burn, and no in-grown hairs in my mouthpiece area for a long time. It's worth it for me.

John

Product list:
Bic Metal Razor
Nancy Boy pre-shave oil
High quality shave cream
Tend Skin post-shave stuff
Non-alcohol-based after shave

Boy, do I feel out of touch. 
I've been shaving with a blade for nearly 50 years, and never heard of any of those products.

baileyman,
You may want to try out a suggestion I got from a dermatologist one time when I was having problems with skin irritation and ingrown whiskers.  He recommended the use of a light oil, such as Keri brand, instead of using shaving cream, which is essentially a soap. It worked for me.


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« Reply #18 on: Feb 06, 2008, 05:48AM »

Don't waste your time on a rotary electric shaver a la Norelco.

The way it cuts almost guarantees the hair will be lain over into the walls of the hair shaft.

I've used a rotary, almost always a Norelco, most of my life.  I've never once had an ingrown hair on my face.  Not one.
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