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Question: What is your preferred lubricant for the trombone slide?
Slide-O-Mix - 151 (30.7%)
Superslick - 67 (13.6%)
Trombotine - 135 (27.4%)
Reka Superslide - 28 (5.7%)
The new Yamaha stuff - 59 (12%)
Spit & Elbow Grease - 4 (0.8%)
Other - 32 (6.5%)
Lubricant? Wassat? - 4 (0.8%)
Heyday's  - Slide - 12 (2.4%)
Total Voters: 349

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« Reply #60 on: Oct 23, 2009, 02:55PM »

From re-reading my post, a few things weren't terribly clear.

1) After I put the silicone on the slide I will work it in by spreading it with the slide. The slide should move freely BEFORE spraying any water.

2) When I swab out my outers (not inners, typo -- although I do swab my inners a lot too), I always used distilled water, and if they are REALLY bad I will use some (very little) dish soap.

3) I forgot to mention that -- due the the fact that the silicone/soap/water mixtures gunk up the instrument faster, they never seem to work as well over time as they did that very first time you ever used them. And they a tad on the thin side for me. I like my slide to be very smooth as I move it very slowly -- which you only get with the thicker lubricants.

4) Someone mentioned that trombotine only works on slides with loose tolerances -- but I have NOT found this to be true. My Edwards slide has a very TIGHT tolerance, and trombotine works brilliantly on it. You just have to be VERY meticulous how you apply it, and keep everything clean. It also lasts long enough that you can put some on at home and easily make it through any gig without reapplying (although I always have it with me, just in case).
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« Reply #61 on: Oct 23, 2009, 05:07PM »

:cool:Phillybone I concur whole hearted.
As can be seen from my post I was/am a long time advocate of Super Slick.
Many years of practical experience help us to perfect the almost ritualistic process of applying our preferred product. My method seem very similar to yours and perhaps similar to many others on this forum, though I've never actually burned my fingers. It's more of a burnishing in method. It's sometimes hard to explain to others.

Don't get me wrong I still love my Super Slick. A drop or 2 of silicone and an occasional spritz of water, a perfect slide.

What surprised me was how different the Yamaha product is from Slide-O-Mix, even though I suspect it is some sort of 'all in one' concoction of the similar soap/silicone/water. It doesn't gunk up or at least I haven't experienced it. It doesn't dry up like Slide-O-Mix. It can be freshened with a spritz of water or another drop or 2 of product, your good to go.
I still clean my slide(s) once a week with water and soap regardless what product is on them.

I went into my trial of the Yamaha product a true skeptic. I expected it to fail, I wanted it to fail, I can't explain it. (I know, I'm sounding like Yamaha Slide Oil commercial)

To be honest though, I do still use Super Slick occassionally just for the ritual of it. It just feels right.
Anyways,
YMMV
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« Reply #62 on: Oct 23, 2009, 05:59PM »

Yamaha Slide oil is the best of a bad breed -- in my opinion of course. I was given a free sample of it at an ITF convention in Salt Lake City. I didn't want to use it on my main axe, so I used it on my alto slide. I play my alto nearly every day, but not for more than about a half an hour (it's very taxing to play most of the alto rep -- I just practice it enough to maintain reasonable proficiency on it). So it seemed like the logical slide to test it out on.

Initially I was VERY pleased with the results. The slide action was superb, and I agree -- a HUGE improvement over Slide-O-Mix. At first it lasted for about a week. Over the course of a few months I noticed I had to reapply it daily. I always swab out my slide every time I reapplied it -- which got to be a real pain doing that every day.

By the end of the year I had been using it on that slide for -- the action wasn't very good at all. In fact, the slide was very gritty feeling, even after cleaning it very well and applying a fresh coat the action was still not anywhere near as smooth as on my tenor.

After extensive chem cleaning I believe I have resuscitated the slide -- and am back to trombotine and silicone plus Hetman water, and the action has never been better.


Soap/silicone/water basically works the same exact way trombotine/silicone and water do. The trombotine/soap coats the slide (making it slippery), the silicone and the water act as the lubricants. Water is very thin and is great for fast movement of the slide, and silicone is much thicker which smoothes out slower movements.

So what we are mainly comparing is how well soap compares to cream in making the slide slippery and staying in place as you move the slide. Cream simply does not dry out as fast, and doesn't crystalize as hard as the soapy stuff does.

Otherwise the two systems lubricate the slide in much the same way.
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« Reply #63 on: Oct 25, 2009, 12:44PM »

i mainly use trombotine, because im a student and in 6th grade, thats what we got, and it works well, lasts awhile, and doesn't require very much maintenance.

ive never really tried anything different, because i dont need to.

what i do is clean out my outer slide thoroughly and apply a CRAPload of trombotine,
then i spray it and wipe the excess off in small amounts until its the right amount, so i never put on too little.

as long as you spray it with water whenever it feels like you need it, it works very well for my bach
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« Reply #64 on: Oct 25, 2009, 02:19PM »

Up till 18 months ago I had only used the good ol' slide oil. It was the only thing I had ever heard of and didn't know anything else exsisted.

Now I use superslick cream with one or two drops of superslick silicone, a spritz of water and the slide doesn't need touching again until the next time I wash it (every month - 6 weeks), except in our hot summer I sometimes give the slide one quick spritz of water before playing.

I am lucky in that I have two amazing slides (thanks DJ Hi), and they both seem to love superslick (easily available on the internet and cheap in aussie dollars). :)

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« Reply #65 on: Nov 30, 2009, 10:47AM »

There's a relatively new one out called Silk Stockings.  I tried it, and find it to be similar to SOM, but with a smoother feel.
Anybody else tried it?
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« Reply #66 on: Dec 02, 2009, 06:40PM »

Although I've already posted I have to say on thing about Slide-O-mix vs. cream.

Slide-O-mix tends to turn my slide black after about a week or so, which requires me to completely wipe down my slide and re-apply. Cream lasts longer, but usually crusts on the slide, requiring the alcohol wipe-down.

Oil is just horrible. Makes the slides sticky if used by itself.
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« Reply #67 on: Dec 02, 2009, 10:25PM »

What's that have to do with Silk Stockings?
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« Reply #68 on: Dec 02, 2009, 10:29PM »

What's that have to do with Silk Stockings?
My bad, I forgot the topic theme.
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« Reply #69 on: Dec 03, 2009, 05:00AM »

Although I've already posted I have to say on thing about Slide-O-mix vs. cream.

Slide-O-mix tends to turn my slide black after about a week or so, which requires me to completely wipe down my slide and re-apply. Cream lasts longer, but usually crusts on the slide, requiring the alcohol wipe-down.

Oil is just horrible. Makes the slides sticky if used by itself.

What's your water like? If it's pretty sulfurous you may be corroding your slide with it.  That's one reason we all talk about using distilled or deionized water.

Seems most people with older horns don't do well with Slide-O-Mix.  That's part of the reason I never had an interest in trying it.  Most of the people with problems complain about draggy or gummy slides, no matter how much or little they use.

If your cream is causing a crust, I go back to the water comment.  Some contaminants in hard water can cause the cream to de-emulsify and that is not good.

I suggest oil for new players.  Kids in general think "if a little is good a lot must be better".  Oil really doesn't care whether you use a little or a lot; so you can soak the slide in oil and it isn't any better or worse than a few drops on the stocking.  Oil is generally too thin (and the good stuff usually smells bad) so it's not a long-term solution.
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« Reply #70 on: Dec 04, 2009, 08:51PM »

What's your water like? If it's pretty sulfurous you may be corroding your slide with it.  That's one reason we all talk about using distilled or deionized water.

Seems most people with older horns don't do well with Slide-O-Mix.  That's part of the reason I never had an interest in trying it.  Most of the people with problems complain about draggy or gummy slides, no matter how much or little they use.

If your cream is causing a crust, I go back to the water comment.  Some contaminants in hard water can cause the cream to de-emulsify and that is not good.

I suggest oil for new players.  Kids in general think "if a little is good a lot must be better".  Oil really doesn't care whether you use a little or a lot; so you can soak the slide in oil and it isn't any better or worse than a few drops on the stocking.  Oil is generally too thin (and the good stuff usually smells bad) so it's not a long-term solution.


I use purified, distilled water, not hard water on my slides. In my last house the water was so hard that huge lyme crusts would form on the pipes and glasses and we literally could not get a water softener. It's good for humans, not for metal.

 The SOM is amazing on the Opera, but it's terrible on my LA Special. I use cream + water on the Special.

I only use oil in conjunction with water and cream. I KNOW, it sounds terrible, but it actually works really well.
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« Reply #71 on: Dec 16, 2009, 11:42AM »

I used to use SOM but tried the new yamaha stuff and never went back. if you havent tried it yet, please do. I'm pretty sure it's cheaper too!
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« Reply #72 on: Dec 16, 2009, 08:59PM »

Any tips on what sort of slide to use the new Yamaha stuff on?
I use Reka on my Holton, which has a meh... slide, it works but is slow unless I'm really careful with it.
I use two-bottle SoM on my 42B, which is in about the same boat as the Holton, but much better.
I use SoM Rapid Comfort (one bottle, black lid) on my 6H, which has the best slide of the lot and doesn't need a lot of re-lubing.

I bought the Yamaha stuff to try out, but I don't want to waste an amount just to find out it makes my slide worse... anybody?
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« Reply #73 on: Dec 16, 2009, 10:50PM »

I use Trombotine on slides that are fairly old. It smooths things out even if it's not quite as as fast as some of the others.

But...I don't play many old slides anymore, just the fine Shires slides. I've been using Reka of them for several years, but I got tired of its tendency to thin out when the weather gets hot. I like the new Yamaha stuff...hate the perfume, though...but the real surprise has been Hetman Hydro-Slide. I forgot my water bottle one day and asked a friend if I could have some of his water. He said sure, but it had Hetman stuff in it. I tried it and the slide got so fast that I almost lost it in the middle of a solo. Hydro-Slide is meant to be used with other lubricants, but so far I've just used it w/Yamaha stuff. It's best combination I have ever played, bar none.

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« Reply #74 on: Dec 19, 2009, 06:24AM »

Hi all Yamaha new 'oil' users...I'm checking it out........ not sure how much to use yet...... too much, too little, ..... where best to apply it (stocking, upper sleeve)...etc.

Any suggestions? I've had some encouraging attempts, but aren't quite sure what works best, and would like to give it a good chance.

I'm checking it out on a Yamaha 697z, which has a pretty tight tolerance being a new bone.

(Am loving this horn...... it takes me back to when I had a great HN White 2B..... except it's all better!..... but that's for another topic.)

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« Reply #75 on: Dec 19, 2009, 10:58AM »

I usually put about a 2-4 inch long bead of it right above the stockings (after wiping down the entire inner slide.) I'd say start with 2 inches right on the stockings, and go from there.
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« Reply #76 on: Dec 20, 2009, 08:21PM »

Thank you Walter!

Beautiful....... I put it on above the stockings as you recommended.

Practiced tonight with a fantastic slide! So far, so good..... didn't even think about touching the water spray bottle.

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« Reply #77 on: Dec 21, 2009, 06:53AM »



I'm checking it out on a Yamaha 697z, which has a pretty tight tolerance being a new bone.

(Am loving this horn...... it takes me back to when I had a great HN White 2B..... except it's all better!..... but that's for another topic.)



????? Thought you had a 3B..............this your new horn, or one you're checking out?

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« Reply #78 on: Dec 21, 2009, 07:51AM »

Hi all Yamaha new 'oil' users...I'm checking it out........ not sure how much to use yet...... too much, too little, ..... where best to apply it (stocking, upper sleeve)...etc.

Any suggestions? I've had some encouraging attempts, but aren't quite sure what works best, and would like to give it a good chance.

I'm checking it out on a Yamaha 697z, which has a pretty tight tolerance being a new bone.

(Am loving this horn...... it takes me back to when I had a great HN White 2B..... except it's all better!..... but that's for another topic.)


We had another thread on 697z and 891z slides. People are loving the new Yamaha oil. I found by experimentation that the cream with the horn is great too as long as use about 1/10 of the trombotine I use on my Connstellation.
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« Reply #79 on: Dec 21, 2009, 11:46AM »

I use the yamaha slide "oil" on all of my slides now.  In fact almost everyone in the studio here is using it now.  It's just so easy to apply and hard to mess up.  I also don't carry a water bottle with me anymore.  I suggest this stuff for students and pros alike; it's just easy and inexpensive.
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