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« on: Nov 19, 2008, 01:17PM »

Hi

Are there any Elkhart Conn 73H players out there?

What`s are the positive and negative aspects of this horn?

Do the 73H have the same quality like the Elkhart 62H?

Why do you play the 73H and not an other horn?

Is the 73H a bassbone which i should look for?

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« Reply #1 on: Nov 19, 2008, 08:56PM »

I think I've played on one of these (yellow bell, dependent valves in F/bE ? bell tuning?)

Great feel, great playing horn. Second valve (for my money) was worthless.

I did really like the response of the horn though, and one of these with a set of shires valves would be an incredible orchestral instrument, possibly a little harder to work in a jazz setting though.
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 19, 2008, 09:06PM »

http://www.xs4all.nl/~cderksen/Conn73H1968image.html


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« Reply #3 on: Nov 20, 2008, 01:42AM »

I've used the 73H in the past and found it to be a great instrument for all types of music. There are several players in the UK orchestras using these horns... Alan Mathieson in the BBC Scottish Symphony (an ex-student of mine, for whom I found the instrument)and Keith McNichol at Covent Garden come to mind.
The 73H has the tighter 70H style bell and can sound a little more compact than the newest generation of basses.

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« Reply #4 on: Nov 20, 2008, 02:05AM »

I have played a couple on regular basis for years , and also tested a couple of others. The different 71/72/73H versions are a little lighter sounding than their predecessor 70H . My impression is that these models is not usually "pampered " with as much as their older 70H "mother", so it is a typical "try-before-buy" horn . If you find a mint version however they are usually very good with a beautiful sound. Don`t get put of by the fact that it feels more stuffy than the typical Bach-generic bass bone. The sound is worth the learning curve. Sounds good with a 2G , 1 1/2G sized mouthpiece.
I am looking for a 73H bell section myself for rebuilding it to fit my 70H slide (replacing the neckpipe/tuning section with a longer straight tube),giving me a double valved alternative to my 70H!


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« Reply #5 on: Nov 20, 2008, 04:39AM »

I think I've played on one of these (yellow bell, dependent valves in F/bE ? bell tuning?)

Great feel, great playing horn. Second valve (for my money) was worthless.

I did really like the response of the horn though, and one of these with a set of shires valves would be an incredible orchestral instrument, possibly a little harder to work in a jazz setting though.

Why Do You think that this horn would fit better as an orchestral than in a jazz setting. I would think that with its smaller bell hroat would be a great horn for this setting?? !! Don't know

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« Reply #6 on: Nov 20, 2008, 09:35AM »

Great feel, great playing horn. Second valve (for my money) was worthless.

Do these have the longer hand slide? A long hand slide with a flat E 2nd valve would make a pretty good Bartok-gliss horn.
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 20, 2008, 08:59PM »

Why Do You think that this horn would fit better as an orchestral than in a jazz setting. I would think that with its smaller bell throat would be a great horn for this setting?? !! Don't know

tbarh

It could definitely be used very successfully as a jazz horn, but as far as "small" basses go, (for me) it made a relatively dark sound (though not particularly wide). Smooth and gorgeous, warm without getting spread and overly wide.

I think this is the ideal do everything bass trombone...except for the second valve (I can't emphasize this enough)

don't remember if the slide was long; isn't that a bit over thought to get a horn just for a couple bars?


(edit: yes, judging by the pic, I am now about 95% sure that was what it was.
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 21, 2008, 03:04AM »

Do these have the longer hand slide? A long hand slide with a flat E 2nd valve would make a pretty good Bartok-gliss horn.
I play the single valved version, the 71H.

It has a longer slide...

My 8H slide can be but on it, but I have to pull the tuning slide nearly all the way out to get the 440 Hz tuning...

I like it better than a Yamaha 620G I played for some time...

It has a very "tenorish" tone in the middle and high register with a 1 1/2G, a good warm tone in the low, but the trigger range feels somewhat stuffy compared to other basses of today...

Also I thing the att. bore is .562" and the valve is comparable to the 88H valve of today...
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 21, 2008, 07:46AM »

I have some prototypes of a new D replacement slide for Conn 62H, 73H, 83H, 111H which drops right in, looks like a Minick style slide.  Details shortly.

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« Reply #10 on: Jan 23, 2009, 10:39AM »

through this link you can see a converted 73H/72H with Hagmanns.
http://www.trombone.ch/pages/fram1.html
Look for "erik van lier and his Conn 62H" in the custom shop
It's not a 62H...
Beautifull job and an improvement over the old valve system.
Also progressive bore throughout the valve system! and a vibrabell mount
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 23, 2009, 11:54AM »

I play the single valved version, the 71H.

It has a longer slide...

My 8H slide can be but on it, but I have to pull the tuning slide nearly all the way out to get the 440 Hz tuning...

I like it better than a Yamaha 620G I played for some time...

It has a very "tenorish" tone in the middle and high register with a 1 1/2G, a good warm tone in the low, but the trigger range feels somewhat stuffy compared to other basses of today...

Also I thing the att. bore is .562" and the valve is comparable to the 88H valve of today...

Denis, what do you think about the 620G?   I think its a fine instrument and do not see so many people here that mention it.
It has a big warm sound and I like it a lot.  My 72h also have a very nice sound and a low C that no other instrument can match. The low C nearly in eight position with this horn is like to be in heaven.


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« Reply #12 on: Feb 02, 2009, 01:34AM »

Leif,

I know you have that one...

I retried it briefly some months ago...
It's too open for me, the bell feels too light, and the tbone too heavy...
The Fatt trigger has a long stroke, ergonomically I don't like it...

But I like the trigger range...  sound and blow...

I just feel so much more at home with my Conn 71H, like it was a BIG tenor...
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« Reply #13 on: Feb 02, 2009, 04:48AM »

I know of a 73H that may be for sale. It's not mine, but if anybody's interested drop me a PM.
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