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« Reply #1680 on: Sep 11, 2016, 10:40AM »

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yeah  within minutes  !!!!!!!
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i had  an la    with patch on gooseneck 




"News travels fast" but hasn't it been for sale for a few months now?? People can only stand temptation for so long :-P

Everything these days leaves an "expensive kiss". Whether it'll "leave me wanting" or not I'll know soon...and if it does you'll probably see it here again :)

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« Reply #1681 on: Sep 12, 2016, 11:10PM »

Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant
yeah  within minutes  !!!!!!!
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Haha!!
Well, I heard from Chuck and shared that with Brett (loved watching the reaction) and said, "What do you think", and he says "I think it's great but let me ask DJ", and a few minutes later it's a good idea all around and here we are :)

BiggieSmalls shipped it today, it will be coming to me over a rare break. I expect to like it. Assuming that, I expect to take a while to get used to it, but when I do there will be a Williams 6 vs Minick .500 showdown!!  Eeek!
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« Reply #1682 on: Sep 13, 2016, 01:20AM »

another  minick  surfaced  but i cant remember where //////  CLARK  GAYTON  has the  la 6 i bought from chris  amnesia  --it was 26  has  patch on  neck AND  an old refinish //no case
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the la is real strong projection wise  ----currently i have an EARL   a  BOB    and  a  JAY  [on consignment ]
   the jay-tennessee is mint  new 8 letters and the slim generic case  that earl used sometimes




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Well, I heard from Chuck and shared that with Brett (loved watching the reaction) and said, "What do you think", and he says "I think it's great but let me ask DJ", and a few minutes later it's a good idea all around and here we are :)

BiggieSmalls shipped it today, it will be coming to me over a rare break. I expect to like it. Assuming that, I expect to take a while to get used to it, but when I do there will be a Williams 6 vs Minick .500 showdown!!  Eeek!
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« Reply #1683 on: Sep 19, 2016, 05:55PM »

Welp, after a lot of aggravation from USPS, I got to pick up the Williams 6 sent from BiggieSmalls in Santa Fe!

First impressions, it's absolutely beautiful. Slide is just pristine. The instrument aside, the fact that the case and all of the other items are original just makes me so happy! I just love to see the quality and craftsmanship, and in such great condition. Love the old mutes, love the old trombone stand (and it still works!). It even came with a cleaning rod and some cheesecloth, things that I actually really need right now.

Ok, getting on to the horn! I'm sure BiggieSmalls posted photos back when he bought it, but heck, I took some too :) There is one mystery item in the case that I'm hoping someone can identify for me!


Old straight mute.

Bottom of the mute. Patent date is May 28, 1929.


Ok, here's the mystery item. Some kind of canister, the top screws off and there's a long metal tube with a ball bearing inside. The top portion (with the serrated round grip things you can see) twists, but the twisting doesn't seem to do anything and I don't see anything like a nozzle. Any ideas? Am I an idiot for not knowing what this is?  Don't know


Ok enough of the accessories. How about that TROMbone!



Patent number.

Serial. And no, I don't much care who sees this, the more people who know this serial is in my possession, the more can help me if it ever gets stolen.



As you can see in earlier photos, there is a telephone cord wrapped around the neck. I tried to gently pull it off, and it literally crumbled in my hands. Underneath was some tarnish.

After a gentle wash with some mild dish soap, nice and clean! But the phone pattern will probably always be there. Cool Good!


If that wasn't enough for you, there are a few more pics over at my flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sageyoku/

Sidenote, USPS is evil.

Currently I'm on break from the circus. When I come back, there will be another series of photos of the Williams together with my Minick and Brett's Minick. And then once I get used to the new horn, I will share thoughts on differences between the two. I'd also like to make a "Williams vs Minick" comparison video...stay tuned...
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« Reply #1684 on: Sep 19, 2016, 05:59PM »

Bicycle tire pump?
Hydraulic cylinder from an old screen door?
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« Reply #1685 on: Sep 19, 2016, 06:02PM »

You can safely remove grime like that by rubbing with a white plastic pencil eraser. Stadtler. No chem mess. The worn eraser just brushes off. Keep the eraser in the case and use as necessary.

Rub the horn before performances and it keeps shirt collars sparkling clean.
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« Reply #1686 on: Sep 19, 2016, 06:08PM »

Bicycle tire pump?
Hydraulic cylinder from an old screen door?


Funny, I thought of the bike pump too! I have a 1970s Raleigh folder bike that came with a pump, and it looked very much like this, only longer!

You can safely remove grime like that by rubbing with a white plastic pencil eraser. Stadtler. No chem mess. The worn eraser just brushes off. Keep the eraser in the case and use as necessary.

Rub the horn before performances and it keeps shirt collars sparkling clean.

Thank you very much for that tip, I'll pick one up! That will be helpful for Brett's horn as well in that same area. Both Minicks have neck protection, I'll probably pick something up for this one as well.
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« Reply #1687 on: Sep 19, 2016, 06:29PM »

Both Minicks have neck protection, I'll probably pick something up for this one as well.

Why not just replace the original neck pipe with one made out of carbon fiber?   Don't know


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« Reply #1688 on: Sep 19, 2016, 06:48PM »

Hey Megan, glad you were finally able to wrestle the horn away from USPS!

The mystery item is actually an ancient water atomizer (non-functional).
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« Reply #1689 on: Sep 19, 2016, 06:56PM »

I've never seen a trombone Non-Pareil mute.  The trumpet version was used by the Ellington boys with plungers before there were Pixie and Trixie mutes.

I can't wait to hear your comparison with the two Minicks.

Note: the patent is for the curved hand brace, issued to Earl Williams on 11/25/1930 (in case anybody is interested)
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« Reply #1690 on: Sep 19, 2016, 07:10PM »

Why not just replace the original neck pipe with one made out of carbon fiber?   Don't know


Just kidding.   Evil

Go to heck Dan  Evil  Good!

Hey Megan, glad you were finally able to wrestle the horn away from USPS!

The mystery item is actually an ancient water atomizer (non-functional).


Thanks so much Chuck! I promise to take great care of this trombone! Very excited to play it at work!

USPS was absolutely ridiculous today. A "delivery attempt" was made on Saturday, but they claimed there was "no one available to sign". That's BS because it was delivered to a condo complex with a front desk clerk available 24/7. I rescheduled delivery with very specific instructions to leave the package with the front desk, who would also sign for it. On Monday morning I got notice that delivery had been attempted again, this time the excuse was "package too large for receptacle". OMG...the front desk has a giant mail room, there's no WAY there was no room in there. Argh. So I tried to schedule a pickup, but they wouldn't give me the location where it was being held, they said I needed to look at the delivery attempt notice (which they hadn't left either time)!

 >:( >:( >:(

So now I'm in a total rage, proclaiming to my boyfriend that once we get to Chicago I am driving to every single post office until I find it if that's what it takes. He drives faster. I call the 800 number for USPS and after an hour of waiting, get to speak to someone who finally consents to give me the address where the trombone is being held hostage AND a phone number for the supervisor there. I call and ask when the package will be back at the location so I can come pick it up. After a very long time on hold she says it's at the facility and I can come get it any time. In other words, they never even took it out for delivery, otherwise it would have still been on the truck.

 Don't know :cry: Embarrassed!

My boyfriend's wonderful parents went to get it right away.
Can you guess how far it was from their condo?


I was absolutely livid. Bottom line, they just didn't want to bother with dropping it off. Good LORD.

Anyway, yes, it is safe with me now :)
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« Reply #1691 on: Sep 19, 2016, 07:13PM »

I've never seen a trombone Non-Pareil mute.  The trumpet version was used by the Ellington boys with plungers before there were Pixie and Trixie mutes.

I can't wait to hear your comparison with the two Minicks.

Note: the patent is for the curved hand brace, issued to Earl Williams on 11/25/1930 (in case anybody is interested)


Cool! I wonder what the mute will sound like! I'm shy to play in this apartment around Jameson's parents, so it might have to wait... :/
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« Reply #1692 on: Sep 19, 2016, 07:28PM »

Cool! I wonder what the mute will sound like! I'm shy to play in this apartment around Jameson's parents, so it might have to wait... :/


I'd bet money that they won't mind.  After all, they put up with Jameson practicing his piano for all those years.  Just don't do it at 3 AM. ;-)
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« Reply #1693 on: Sep 19, 2016, 07:56PM »

There is a modern copy of the Non-Pareil ( without equal, in French) trombone straight mute. Now made by Pro-Tec Liberty it is available from www.hickeys.com. It is the version for smaller tenor trombones, and is 60% of the volume of a Wick straight mute.

Of course, the vintage real mute-- as used by the Ellington crew-- is made of thick aluminium. The modern one is thinner. Much thinner, but it is much closer to the Ellington sound than other straight mutes.
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« Reply #1694 on: Sep 19, 2016, 08:00PM »

One of my 6's is a very close serial number to that. Probably made a month later.
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« Reply #1695 on: Sep 19, 2016, 08:32PM »

One of my 6's is a very close serial number to that. Probably made a month later.

Cool! Well when you come out in Bridgeport this one will be here for you to try!
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« Reply #1696 on: Sep 19, 2016, 11:21PM »

That's a water spray bottle. I've got one that was sold by a music store down San Diego way, probably in the late 1940's. As shown in your pic, "the safety's on".
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« Reply #1697 on: Sep 20, 2016, 07:38AM »

Beautiful horn!

Can't wait to hear your thoughts on it Vs. the Minick
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« Reply #1698 on: Sep 20, 2016, 09:14AM »

That's a water spray bottle. I've got one that was sold by a music store down San Diego way, probably in the late 1940's. As shown in your pic, "the safety's on".

Neat! I'm going to keep fiddling with it :)
Beautiful horn!

Can't wait to hear your thoughts on it Vs. the Minick

Yes, I'm glad it's been so well-preserved! Yeah I can't wait either haha. It's been almost a year of playing "my" Minick now, so I think I have a better idea of how that horn plays compared to Brett's. Brett's is darker and probably will be more comparable to this Williams, though interestingly it think the bell size is closer to that of my Minick (smaller). I think.

My Minick, I love it. So much. Just a beautiful and clear sound and the best slide action I've ever enjoyed. So responsive and light. <3
But Brett's has The Best sound. Rich and wonderful. Darker than mine. I love them both!!
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« Reply #1699 on: Sep 20, 2016, 11:08AM »

Neat! I'm going to keep fiddling with it :)
The center post is the pump; the nozzle is attached to that. In "safe" configuration, the nozzle sits in a little rest which keeps the pump from being depressed and covers the nozzle orifice. To spray, you have to rotate the center post/nozzle to disengage the nozzle from the rest.
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