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« Reply #1700 on: Sep 20, 2016, 01:34PM »

 Amazed Eeek! Good!
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« Reply #1701 on: Sep 29, 2016, 08:31PM »

Today I went back to work and brought the Williams to hang out with the Minicks.
Photos were a must. Not often you get to see this.



During our dark week (nine days) I didn't play at all. Stupid as that may be, it was nice to have a break.
That in mind, Brett and I had a go at the Williams today to form some first impressions.

We noted that as far as bell size, Brett's Minick is the largest, mine is the smallest, and the Williams falls between. But the Williams definitely has the widest bell throat, no question.
 
Brett said he felt there was a lot of space between the partials. He sounded very smooth playing in the high register, everything just popped into place. We both agreed that this horn sounds more "dense" than the Minicks, just a lot of overtones and a lot of potential for getting loud without losing stability. We also found that third position felt really out of place for us compared to the Minicks...perhaps this is because the bell is closer to the face?

I played it for rehearsal and struggled a bit with tuning, because I wasn't the only one who hadn't played the entire break  Evil Plus positions on the Williams in relation to the bell are just different. This will teach me to stop using the bell as a guide Yeah, RIGHT. Didn't realize I'd been relying on that visual so much! Rehearsal was good to work out the kinks.

The show was much better than rehearsal. I had to pay close attention to stop using the bell as a gauge, but it worked. It will take a little while to get used to this horn and compare it properly, but I already feel that the Williams is quite different than the Minicks. Darker and denser. It's more...hungry or something. Every note I played had this devil's advocate undertone of "You know, that could have been louder with zero added effort and no loss in quality. Just sayin'." Dangerous! Evil And even though the sound is kind of dark, it still cuts very well and responds quickly (though I have to say, first impression, I think it is not as cutting and responsive as the Minicks). Really an interesting horn. Other than a few basic tuning issues and me shying away from certain notes for fear of sounding awful, it was a good first impression. Good!

I'm no good at properly describing partials, intonation, etc., so forgive me if this description sounds a bit juvenile. If there's anything specific you'd like to hear about regarding how this horn plays just let me know and I'll do my best to describe!

At some point I will make a "Minick vs. Williams" video, comparing both horns. Probably not until next year when we're done with all of these ridiculous dark weeks, and when I can find a nice quiet place to set up the GoPro.
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« Reply #1702 on: Dec 19, 2016, 08:16PM »

Surprised that no one has posted this here yet.

From Mike Corrigan/HornDR:
"Dude... I don't need 5 Williams Trombones.... I may have a problem. 🙄 anybody want a rare/early Williams and Wallace Trombone? I need to sell at least one of these bad boys. Probably two...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BONYttAhbf0/
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« Reply #1703 on: Dec 25, 2016, 09:40PM »

Asking for a "friend," ahem.

If one had an L.A. Williams 6 from the late 40's with original lacquer in mint condition what might that be worth?
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« Reply #1704 on: Dec 25, 2016, 11:27PM »

I'm not aware of any 6's from the late 40's.  Are you sure about that?
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« Reply #1705 on: Dec 25, 2016, 11:43PM »

Landress looked it up, he thought 1949/early 50's at the latest.  3 digit serial #, belonged to a surgeon who passed away some time ago, I purchased the horn from his grandson.  Came in the original case (old streamlineBach style)  with Ponds cold cream, marching lyre & a 1930s NY Bach 8SC mouthpiece, the likes of which no one in the shop had seen before.
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« Reply #1706 on: Dec 26, 2016, 07:04AM »

Looking to get rid of that 8SC JB? Evil
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« Reply #1707 on: Dec 26, 2016, 08:54AM »

Landress looked it up, he thought 1949/early 50's at the latest.  3 digit serial #, belonged to a surgeon who passed away some time ago, I purchased the horn from his grandson.  Came in the original case (old streamlineBach style)  with Ponds cold cream, marching lyre & a 1930s NY Bach 8SC mouthpiece, the likes of which no one in the shop had seen before.

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« Reply #1708 on: Dec 26, 2016, 11:03AM »

Earl Williams L.A. Model 6 Serial # 8XX, original lacquer.





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« Reply #1710 on: Dec 29, 2016, 11:11AM »

looks  like  an  la  6  but could also  be  4   bore
  the  6  and 4 and  8  have a  number 46 8 stamped on them somewhere
when he started this  ???????
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currently the  burbank  6   bob  and tennesse  are running about 3500
  the earlier la 6  has been solid 25-2600   this one might be more ?????
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« Reply #1711 on: Dec 29, 2016, 11:47AM »

The model number is visible but blurry in one of the pictures, I think it's a 6.  That horn is just like one of mine which is an early 900's serial and I thought is was mid-1950's.

Jhereg's 6 is just few numbers away from mine.

Look right above the serial number for the model number, either 4 or 6.
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« Reply #1712 on: Dec 29, 2016, 12:43PM »

Doug is correct it is a model 6.  I believe he is also correct about the approximate date of production, given the 8XX serial number.  I'm not sure of the rate at which these horns were produced in that period.  I have read that the patent on the hand slide was acquired in 1949 and the horns made prior were stamped patent pending... is that true?  (Apologies if I'm rehashing information discussed earlier in the thread.  86 pages is a lot to read if it's not 50 Shades or Game of Thrones.  Also, here is a photo of some mutes asked about earlier in the thread:


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« Reply #1713 on: Jan 05, 2017, 07:46AM »

a  williams 6   Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant
bell   plain marked    earl williams  //no custom made above///or  anything below
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has left the  building  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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round  bows  --after  much  blowing   :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
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« Reply #1714 on: Jan 05, 2017, 08:21AM »

I have read that the patent on the hand slide was acquired in 1949 and the horns made prior were stamped patent pending... is that true?
The patent for the curved brace (1782452) was granted on Nov. 25, 1930 (application date January 4, 1928). Earl had an earlier patent (1661147) for a TIS mechanism (filed Dec. 29, 1925, granted February 28, 1928) and a later one (2439997) for his water key design (filed Sep. 10, 1945, granted April 20, 1948).

As far as I know, the only time Earl used a "PATENT PENDING" stamp was for the curved brace. Once the patent was granted, he started stamping the patent number on the brace.
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« Reply #1715 on: Jan 05, 2017, 06:23PM »

Oooooh so pretty!  Amazed Thank you for the pics!  Good!
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« Reply #1716 on: Jan 08, 2017, 08:25PM »

A   BOB  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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a  williams 6   Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant Pant
bell   plain marked    earl williams  //no custom made above///or  anything below
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« Reply #1717 on: Jan 09, 2017, 09:13AM »

A   BOB  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yup, it's a BOB and I love it.
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« Reply #1718 on: Jan 12, 2017, 05:22AM »

Gentlemen,

       Thank you so much for sharing all of this great information, much appreciated.
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« Reply #1719 on: Jan 12, 2017, 05:29AM »


Can you enlighten my, how that key is working? It doesn't look like a common trombone water key, and that's spyrale spring...what's up with that?
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