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« Reply #1740 on: May 26, 2017, 04:01PM »

If you like it leave it alone.
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« Reply #1741 on: May 26, 2017, 04:15PM »

I am just going to play it for a while. Oddly this has a 9" bell. SOmeone on the forum stated that Allen Ostrander had 3 special made w/9" bells for a University in Ca. Sliphorn is his handle. I assumed this had an 8.5 bell. Whatever . It plays .  What is the normal bell size for an 8? THere is no stamping identifying it as a Univ horn as the other one had on the main bell brace  flange.
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« Reply #1742 on: May 26, 2017, 04:22PM »

FWIW , It has a shorter bell  position on it in relation to 3rd and 4th position. It reminds me of the bell length on some Holton Tr180 Bass Trombones I have owned.
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« Reply #1743 on: Jun 09, 2017, 10:14AM »

Is there a registry or database of Earl Williams horns?
If so, I'd like to add my newly acquired 6(LA #816) to the list.
What a Great horn!
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« Reply #1744 on: Jun 09, 2017, 02:50PM »

I am just going to play it for a while. Oddly this has a 9" bell. SOmeone on the forum stated that Allen Ostrander had 3 special made w/9" bells for a University in Ca. Sliphorn is his handle. I assumed this had an 8.5 bell. Whatever . It plays .  What is the normal bell size for an 8? THere is no stamping identifying it as a Univ horn as the other one had on the main bell brace  flange.
I believe the standard bell size for a Williams 8 or a 9 is 9".  And yes, very cool horns.  Glad you like yours.

PS - When I said Ostrander ordered these horns custom, I didn't mean the bells were a custom size.  They're stamped CSU, which is custom, and also mine has a standard spit valve with a curly one ready to install if the player wishes.
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« Reply #1745 on: Jun 10, 2017, 08:21PM »

Williams 8 has an 8.5 inch bell, the model 9 has a 9" bell. Please keep in mind there was some variation in bell sizes. Ive owned a model 6 with a 7.5" bell, I have a 9 thats 9.5 and my 10 is over 9.5".

The line up would be this:
Model#   Bore   Bell size
4             .490    7.5"
6             .500    8.0"
7             .500    8.0" With "F" attachment all odd numbers were F"F" attachment horns
8             .520   8.5 "   
9            .520    9.0"
10          .565    9.5" or 10"

But as stated there were variations in bell sizes.
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« Reply #1746 on: Jun 10, 2017, 08:34PM »

A friend has an LA 6 for sale that I may bring to the ITF.
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« Reply #1747 on: Jun 13, 2017, 12:35PM »

HAD an la 6  7 1/2  bell  ///  build  somewhat  different than  a   burbank    --also  the ''BOB''  and tennessee  slight differences   



Williams 8 has an 8.5 inch bell, the model 9 has a 9" bell. Please keep in mind there was some variation in bell sizes. Ive owned a model 6 with a 7.5" bell, I have a 9 thats 9.5 and my 10 is over 9.5".

The line up would be this:
Model#   Bore   Bell size
4             .490    7.5"
6             .500    8.0"
7             .500    8.0" With "F" attachment all odd numbers were F"F" attachment horns
8             .520   8.5 "   
9            .520    9.0"
10          .565    9.5" or 10"

But as stated there were variations in bell sizes.
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« Reply #1748 on: Jul 01, 2017, 09:47AM »

WTB Williams/ Donnelson TN   Model 10 Bass Trombone Bell
johnmckevitt60@gmail.com
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« Reply #1749 on: Jul 05, 2017, 09:38PM »

Billy Byers' gold plated Model 4.

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« Reply #1750 on: Jul 05, 2017, 10:52PM »

WTB Williams/ Donnelson TN   Model 10 Bass Trombone Bell
johnmckevitt60@gmail.com
Thanks, John
You seem to have a thing for rare stuff! Pant
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« Reply #1751 on: Jul 09, 2017, 11:16AM »

I follow the "Whatever Works " Philosophy
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« Reply #1752 on: Jul 10, 2017, 07:50PM »

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« Reply #1753 on: Aug 23, 2017, 12:25PM »

For the Williams Society brain trust: I'm confused about the approximate date of manufacture for my Williams 6 based on different things I have read in this thread.  It was identified as a "Bob" based on the shape of the slide crook (see link to photo below).

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7mxb45926rold4j/AAClAOO90l-6E1dy2qmzXYVya?dl=0

I read that the "Bob" horns were made between 1971-1975 and started with serial #'s 3XXX.  However, my horn seems like it predates that window of time based on the lacquer (original)  and the serial # of 8XX.  It says made by Earl Williams Los Angeles, Calif on the side of the bell throat.  So i guess my questions are, "Did the Bobs exist at any point before 1971?  Is my horn just not as old as it seems?  Is it not a "Bob" afterall?  Help... Pant
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« Reply #1754 on: Aug 23, 2017, 03:34PM »

Yours is an earlier build of the Model 6, made by Earl before the move to Burbank. The "Bob" crooks (tuning slide and handslide) are round/single radius and the slide crook is silver. 
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« Reply #1755 on: Aug 23, 2017, 04:36PM »

Dave for the win!  Thank you!
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« Reply #1756 on: Oct 16, 2017, 07:23AM »

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« Reply #1757 on: Nov 05, 2017, 06:29AM »

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DJ, is this the one at Best Instrument Repair? If so, I probably played on it yesterday. It is missing the Williams water key (King water key in its place). It plays pretty well. I think it is on consignment and they are asking something like 2350.

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« Reply #1758 on: Nov 19, 2017, 06:20PM »

John Noxon, I want to thank you again for putting me in touch with John Duda a couple of years ago.  He did an excellent job replacing the inners on this Williams 6.  Better yet, after a long wait, he made his own Williams 6 slide section for the horn which, along with his own design leadpipe, vastly improved the performance of this horn.  You may recall that the 6 as originally recieved, came with removable leadpipes, including the original Williams leadpipe, plus a Herrick, and a Kanstul.  While the Herrick worked best with that original slide (once proper inners were installed to solve leaking), the Duda leadpipe, on both the original Williams slide, and Dudaís new slide was vastly superior.  The Duda slide and leadpipe work best with the bell section. Did blindfold tests with several players, all agreed. 

Iíll have to renew my efforts to get Duda to make his own bell Williams 6 bell section.  Heís a master, a treasure.

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« Reply #1759 on: Nov 19, 2017, 08:16PM »


Iíll have to renew my efforts to get Duda to make his own bell Williams 6 bell section.  Heís a master, a treasure.


Duda has made a few Williams 6 bells.  I have one of them, as part of a complete horn he made for me.  It's a great horn!

Duda has also made at least one Williams 4 bell (in copper, special for John Noxon).  If he ever decides to make another, I'm probably a customer.
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