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Question: What was the highest rank that you earned in the Boy Scouts?
I was only in the Cub Scouts - 23 (28%)
Tenderfoot - 9 (11%)
Second Class - 5 (6.1%)
First Class - 7 (8.5%)
Star - 5 (6.1%)
Life - 15 (18.3%)
Eagle - 14 (17.1%)
Eagle Palms - 4 (4.9%)
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muzikman
« on: Feb 14, 2009, 03:47PM »

I was just curious to see how many former or current Boy Scouts that we have on the forum. I began as a Cub Scout and continued through Boy Scouts and I'm almost finished with my Eagle. My Eagle project consisted of clearing hiking trails in a commonly used conservation forest that were covered in fallen trees and debris that had been there since the 2004 hurricane season and the rebulding of an observation boardwalk (that overlooks a protected wildife lake) that was burned in an out of control controlled burn (ironically). If you're an Eagle Scout, please feel free to tell what your project was. PLEASE don't make this topic a criticism of the Boy Scouts in any way. To all of you parents who are considering putting your child in the Cub Scouts or Boy Scouts, I would highly recommend it. In my experience, being a Boy Scout has brought many rewarding experiences and has taught me many important lessons and skills.

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« Reply #1 on: Feb 14, 2009, 04:46PM »

I was missing one merit badge for Eagle.  Personal Fitness.  I was a fat clumsy kid and couldn't meet the requirements without cheating.  They would have let me cheat (e.g. do the pullups one at a time on different days) but I refused.  So not quite Eagle.

I was one of the champion campers when I was a Scout.  Built shelters on all types of terrain.  Make fireplaces by digging a pit and lining it with rocks.  I would be the guy who laid the huge campfire and set up "magic" starts. 

But fat and clumsy made Personal Fitness out of the question and it was a required merit badge.
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 14, 2009, 05:36PM »

i dropped out of the boy scouts because they wouldn't let me progress at my own pace. they wanted me to slow way down and play by the rules.


 my parents were the den parents so when i had free time i worked on badges at a pace that was beyond what everyone else was at. i was apparently too young to continue to the next group but done with everything in the handbook for my age group. :/

all i really wanted to do is play with fire anyway. :D

i did manage to win regionals for the pinewood derby though Way cool
 
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 14, 2009, 06:06PM »

Whoo!  only eagle palms on there!

I got my eagle right after my 16th birthday.  My goal was to do it when I was 15, but Oregon weather got in the way of that.

My project was to paint basketball court lines on 3 different basketball courts.  Sure enough, it started raining the day paint was suppose to go on.   :(

The only reason 15 was the magic number was to get a steak dinner!  About a week short... But hey!  at least I got it before my 18th birthday unlike most!
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 15, 2009, 05:19AM »

Missed two badges for Eagle, Swimming & Life Saving.  Didn't discover until years later that I couldn't float, so any early lessons I had just didn't take. 
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 15, 2009, 05:25AM »

This is a rather sexist poll!

Our female equivalent is the Brownies. As a nipper, I went once and hated it so much that I never went again....
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 15, 2009, 05:32AM »

This is a rather sexist poll!

Our female equivalent is the Brownies. As a nipper, I went once and hated it so much that I never went again....

Actually, the organization here is called Girl Scouts.  The youngsters are called Brownies, then Girl Scouts, and Senior Scouts.  The Boy Scout equivalents are Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, and Explorers.  My wife was a Senior Scout.
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 15, 2009, 06:12AM »

Actually, the organization here is called Girl Scouts.  The youngsters are called Brownies, then Girl Scouts, and Senior Scouts.  The Boy Scout equivalents are Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, and Explorers.  My wife was a Senior Scout.


US BSA

W D Boyce was in London and aided by a Scout.  Came back and registered name of Boy Scouts of America in 1910.  200th Anniversay is coming up.

Age related orginization:  Tiger, Cub Scout, WEBELOS I and II (We will Be LO Scouts) Boy Scouts, Varsity, Explorers, Venturers.    Both Explorers and Venturers are co-ed.

Scout Leadership now is Co-Ed

I was Life Scout, lacking 1 merit Badge and project.  got scared of Project and did not finish.

Brotherhood OA  Order of Arrow is Scout Honor Society based on Service and Camping.  Open to Adults and Scouts.  Must be voted in by members of your troop.  Three levels Ordeal, Brotherhood and Vigil.

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« Reply #8 on: Feb 15, 2009, 06:18AM »

my 13-year old is First Class and will hit Star some time this summer.  His old man only made 2nd class but went to Philmont anyway... :D

My radlib brother made Star but quit soon after--it wasn't cool to be with the "little kids".  Now for him it isn't PC...
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 15, 2009, 06:23AM »

US BSA

W D Boyce was in London and aided by a Scout.  Came back and registered name of Boy Scouts of America in 1910.  200th Anniversay is coming up.

Age related orginization:  Tiger, Cub Scout, WEBELOS I and II (We will Be LO Scouts) Boy Scouts, Varsity, Explorers, Venturers.    Both Explorers and Venturers are co-ed.

Scout Leadership now is Co-Ed

I was Life Scout, lacking 1 merit Badge and project.  got scared of Project and did not finish.

Brotherhood OA  Order of Arrow is Scout Honor Society based on Service and Camping.  Open to Adults and Scouts.  Must be voted in by members of your troop.  Three levels Ordeal, Brotherhood and Vigil.

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You got some kind of Time Machine?  Founded in 1910 and 200th anniversary next year? :-P :-P :-P

Lots more divisions now.  I participated in the 50th Anniversary Exposition in New York -- 50 years ago.  Demonstrated brewing Sassafras Tea, and fly tying.  Never did it before in my life.  Gave a fly to somebody and he told me later he actually caught a trout with it.  Dumb luck.

Ordeal member OA.  Ran out of time and had to curtail Scouts activities.
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 15, 2009, 06:45AM »

You got some kind of Time Machine?  Founded in 1910 and 200th anniversary next year? :-P :-P :-P

Lots more divisions now.  I participated in the 50th Anniversary Exposition in New York -- 50 years ago.  Demonstrated brewing Sassafras Tea, and fly tying.  Never did it before in my life.  Gave a fly to somebody and he told me later he actually caught a trout with it.  Dumb luck.

Ordeal member OA.  Ran out of time and had to curtail Scouts activities.

two problems,

1 not math major, 100th anniversary coming up

2 no coffee yet,

that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

you could always be an adult leader and active as an adult in OA.  Boys run it, adults advise, drink coffee and talk about the "good old days"
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« Reply #11 on: Feb 15, 2009, 06:52AM »

Were these two projects for the same qualification? They seem to offer entirely different levels of challenge.  Confused

My Eagle project consisted of clearing hiking trails in a commonly used conservation forest that were covered in fallen trees and debris that had been there since the 2004 hurricane season and the rebulding of an observation boardwalk (that overlooks a protected wildife lake) that was burned in an out of control controlled burn (ironically).

My project was to paint basketball court lines on 3 different basketball courts.
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« Reply #12 on: Feb 15, 2009, 07:45AM »

I was in a military Explorer troop and became the troop commander (Cadet Major or something like that--the troopie CO type), but I was only a Cub Scout for probably a Summer, and only dropped in on one of the local regular Boy Scout troops a few times as a kid (in junior high or early high school). Dunno if there's any real equivalencies between my military Explorer troop and the standard issue Scouts, but I doubt it. I was only an Explorer troopie for about a year before I headed out to basic training. If I recall the staff "officers" met once a week, and the whole troop met once a month. We trained with our local National Guard unit's full timers and some Guard DIs (not during their drills) and mostly bivouaced and played war games (i.e. camped out and chased each other around the woods at night trying to shoot each other with water guns and such).
 
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« Reply #13 on: Feb 15, 2009, 08:04AM »

This is a rather sexist poll!

There's also no option for males who were never either Cub Scouts or Boy Scouts.

I was in the Cub Scouts, briefly, never the Boy Scouts.  I don't care for the policies of the national organization right now, and I am glad that the local council has disavowed those policies.  I used to be a member of Alpha Phi Omega National Service Fraternity, an organization that has a loose affiliation with the Boy Scouts.
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 15, 2009, 08:47AM »

Were these two projects for the same qualification? They seem to offer entirely different levels of challenge.  Confused


my son is one merit badge and an Eagle Project away from his Eagle rank.  As explained to use the Eagle project:

1.  can no longer be done to benefit Scouting, that is, no more projects at the Scout Camp building trails, bridges, or similar

2.  the project must show the planning, materials that will be needed, how materials were obtained, how voleenters sought, actual work done, aftermath, etc.

3.  different projects for different scouts, an "at need" scout might have a different project than one who is not "at need".

4.  projects must be preapproved.

so yes, one scout's eagle project may be different level of challenge than another's.  They are judging not only the Project but the Scout's ability to plan, communicate, organize and lead.
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« Reply #15 on: Feb 15, 2009, 08:49AM »

Were these two projects for the same qualification? They seem to offer entirely different levels of challenge.  Confused

Well the level of difficulty of Eagle Projects depends on the project idea and the BSA district. The Eagle Committee in my district is known for demanding intensive projects, generally projects with less than 100 manhours are rejected here. My project was 222 hours total, which is more than is necessary but I wanted to make sure that the results of the project would last for years to come. Sly Fox is absolutely correct, a big part of the project is actually the project approval. I spent 18 hours just writing up my project workbook for submission to the committee for approval, and it was 27 pages long for just the inital submission. When considering approving a project, the Eagle Committee checks every logistical aspect to make sure that the Eagle candidate has covered everything that is necessary for the success of the project.

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« Reply #16 on: Feb 15, 2009, 10:25AM »

Were these two projects for the same qualification? They seem to offer entirely different levels of challenge.  Confused


One other requirement is to do something that you are interested in and something that stretches you.  I was a blazer fan at the time and wondered how basketball court lines were made.  My first thought was that it would be easy as MoominDave probably thinks, but I soon learned that it was a hard profession.

Considering levels of challenge:

Both projects seem reasonably hard in their own ways.  Clearing trails has the physical aspect to it.  Getting others to attend is hard as no one wants to leave their warm beds on the morning of the project.  Usually the board would want a little extra out of you like building a bench or something along those lines which is also tedious to think of.  I like the other project being that they made the trails available again to other people.  It is more of a NEED to the community rather than a WANT.  Basketball court lines are not necessary needs for the community but more of a WANT.  But it still makes me happy when I see people using them.

Painting basketball court lines is more mental than physical.  I still had to get a workforce together, and get tools for the job.  The hardest part of painting basketball court lines was learning the trigonometry behind it and getting the supplies.
 
Personally, I didn't want to spend any money on tools or supplies, so I went to all of the local stores and asked for donations for the job.  Denied a couple of times, but Ace Hardware and Parker Paints stepped it up.  $90 dollars worth of paint from Ace and about $45 worth of painting materials from Parker Paints(brushes, rollers, tape)

One other thing needed for the job was a piece of equipment worth over $2000.  No store would be willing to give it away, let alone lend it off to a 15 year old.  This could get hard...  Luckily an adult adviser had a relative who owned a floors business in Idaho.  He was willing to ship it to me to begin painting.

Painting is not the only thing done.  There has to be preparation as well.  I got the service of the city of Forest Grove to supply me with power washers.  Pretty good power washers.  They were just like shooting a high powered rifle (not at scout camp).  A crew of about 5 did the job.  If paint was laid down without a power washing, the paint would just run off along with the dirt under it.

I know that doing an eagle project will make you learn many new things.  I am not sure which eagle project is harder, but I know that I was stretched at the age of 15/16.

Never before have I asked for donations, never before have I borrowed a $2000 piece of equipment, never before was I in charge of 40 people doing service, never before have I learned the value of trigonometry or even displayed my full leadership among others the way I did during my Eagle Project.

The eagle project is one of the biggest stumbling blocks when getting the Eagle rank.  Glad I did it!  Good!
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« Reply #17 on: Feb 16, 2009, 02:23AM »

There's obviously more to painting lines on basketball courts than I had realised!  :-0

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« Reply #18 on: Feb 16, 2009, 07:31AM »

There's obviously more to painting lines on basketball courts than I had realised!  :-0



It is OK.  I thought it was going to be easier than it actually was, but I learned something.

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« Reply #19 on: Feb 16, 2009, 08:19AM »

There's also no option for males who were never either Cub Scouts or Boy Scouts.

I was in the Cub Scouts, briefly, never the Boy Scouts.  I don't care for the policies of the national organization right now, and I am glad that the local council has disavowed those policies.  I used to be a member of Alpha Phi Omega National Service Fraternity, an organization that has a loose affiliation with the Boy Scouts.
Our council (Cradle of Liberty in Greater Philadelphia) is going to lose its lease on its building downtown because corrupt former (thank God) Mayor John Street (think Kwame Kilpatrick with Don King's hair)and the Dems on City Council decided that it didn't like its membership policy.  With all the problems that Philadelphia has, the city has no business disavowing itself from an organization that, if enough people openly supported it, would go a long way in solving those problems.
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