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« Reply #20 on: Oct 21, 2009, 12:37AM »

This is a 7 minute video from Edwards Instruments on how to clean a slide.  Demonstrated by Christan himself.  I'd embed it here, but I couldn't find the information so you'll have to go there.

http://www.edwards-instruments.com/blog/2009/02/edwards-videos-on-youtube/


Bruce, Shouldn`t I buff the inside of the outer slide with silver polish, liquid Wrights or Weiman? Thanks
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« Reply #21 on: Oct 21, 2009, 06:01AM »

The inside of your outer is brass or nickel silver (which is a copper alloy as well).  Christan didn't expressly suggest polishing the inside of the outer because most newer instruments won't need it.

Incidentally, I wouldn't use silver cream; I'd use brass polish.
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« Reply #22 on: Oct 21, 2009, 07:35AM »

Here's Watrous in 1999 doing same...I've actually improved my crappy Jinbao alto slide quite a bit doing this daily...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4CljIvt4Pw
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« Reply #23 on: Sep 02, 2010, 08:39PM »

Recently did this to ALL of my Bones, the action is better and I haven't found any problems with my Slide-O-Mix and Fast combo. The Cleveland Superior I bought a few days ago really needed it, the most disgusting stuff came out of that slide... I'm so happy this Trombone fell into the hands of someone who likes to care for their instruments.
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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2011, 10:08AM »

I've followed his method and though it is smoother than ever my slide is still making a gritty sound. I live in florida and march near beach so i have obviously checked it for sand and dirt but it looks ad feels as clean as it can get, any ideas why its still gritty sounding?  Confused
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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2011, 10:21AM »

First, are there any dents in the slide?  Really small dents that don't even seem to be a problem?  They can cause that.

Second, do you have a light weight nickel silver slide?  They tend to be a little "grittier" than pure brass.

Finally, even though you wipe your slide down, if you are on the beach you will get grit back on almost immediately.  Make sure you wipe down before you put it away.  Both the outside of the inner slide and the inside of the outer slide.

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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2011, 10:25AM »

No dents, just had it sent for that as a matter of fact, and we dont march directly on the sand, but I live in palm coast which is two ish miles from the beach so rather than dirt its sand AND dirt. I do though have a lightweight slide so im gonna take a guess and say thats my problem, anyway to fix that gritty sound? It's very noticable in solos and leads. :(
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« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2011, 01:04AM »

I am using Zippo Lighter fluid for clean slides
almost every month.

My friend advised me that  Good!
cheap and easy to use.


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but use matches for cigar :/

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« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2011, 09:05AM »

On cleaning rods: indeed rods that come with small bore rifle-cleaning kits work very well (.22, .243); the one I have used come in segments that thread together, thus store conveniently, and the thread-in tip for swabs is plastic and could be safer for trombone slides, although I still don't poke it in with abandon.
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« Reply #29 on: Nov 13, 2011, 10:20AM »

I use those window cleaning wipes on the rod that came with my horn. Cloth & solvent all in one! Good!
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« Reply #30 on: Mar 15, 2013, 07:55AM »

I recently bought this slide cleaner on amazon.. I can get into a lot of places on the trombone quickly and safely. It's very easy to use and seems to do a good job keeping the tubing clean.


HW Products UBSTB Brass-Saver Trombone Brush Set
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002OVCYW/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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« Reply #31 on: Mar 15, 2013, 09:00AM »

Another great resource is the Slide Dr. website. It shows what to use to polish the slide and they have a great product that does that and speeds up the slide. Check it out!
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« Reply #32 on: Nov 07, 2013, 02:29PM »

Trombotine even smells like Ponds!

The Cleveland Orchestra used it, everyone at school, camp, University and community orchestra used it. Both my section mates when I did a year in England used it; from my first lesson in 1954 to my last concert back in the early Eighties, no one used anything but Ponds and water.

The horn I recently acquired to relive my childhood came with a squeeze bottle of Yamaha goo that's pretty good but it drips. Let's not mention what it looks like, okay?

I ordered the Trombotine to try what was done in the Edwards video plus I took someone's advice here after a search and drowned the slide in the stuff, then let it sit over night. Wal Mart had the unbleached cottom muslin (I don;t think you want cheesecloth) and there was Windex (hey lighter fluid guy, get VM&P Naptha at a paint store, it has less garbage in it) under the sink so I went to work. After working the Muslin covered rod in the tubing, only the first few inches were really soiled so I snipped that bit off and re-did that tube. For the other tube I just turned the cloth around so the former handle end was now the business end with the same 2 applications, same result. I wasn't being cheap, except for the dirty few inches, the cloth was really quite clean and dry.

Windex really did a nice job on the inner slide tubes. I noticed a bit of schmutz as I bore-sighted the inner slide tubes so with a fresh piece of muslin, I cleaned those as well.

I had learned to apply a good dab of Ponds to the stockings only, extending it just onto the slide proper then working it on each tube, spraying, working it then wiping off everything except what covered the stockings. Even so, I followed the video and rubbed a dab over the entire slide, beginning on the stockings. Worked the slide, applied the water spray and, HEY!!!, it's brilliant!

60 years farther down the road and I have my Ponds back!
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« Reply #33 on: Nov 07, 2013, 03:55PM »

Another great resource is the Slide Dr. website. It shows what to use to polish the slide and they have a great product that does that and speeds up the slide. Check it out!

I have used the Dr's slide cleaner and I can vouch for it.  You would not believe the black *#()&#$ that came out of the Bach 50 slide that I recently bought. After two treatments I can't imagine a slide being any better.  It practically slides off when the slide is pointing up!  :/
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« Reply #34 on: Dec 20, 2013, 12:18PM »

Even a small amount rubbed all over the inner tubes is too much just the stockings is necessary.  I like the Bill Watrous technique of doing it twice. After cleaning rod, once to put it on the outer slide walls (one tube at a time, and then put each on the wrong way and work it) then wipe it off, put an even smaller amount on the stockings and water thoroughly. I have tried the windex for getting it super clean. That works!
 
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« Reply #35 on: Apr 24, 2014, 08:17PM »

Of course Christian Griego’s slide-care method is fine - he is truly an expert. 

A few comments:

• I also endorse the H.W. Products "H.W. Brass-Saver" brush.  This plastic ribbon snake with a gentle fabric brush will completely clean the inside of both the inner slides and the outer slide [pulls clear through the outer, including the crook, removing any material, lubricant, or liquid inside the slide; no sharp edges or rigid surfaces to damage the slide]. 

• Slide-O-Mix has worked very well for me, used as prescribed, with no noticeable build-up or deterioration.  But I do follow Bruce Belo’s protocol of cleaning the slide (nearly) daily [wipe with dry cloth, interior slide brush, cleaning rod with cloth] and putting it back in the case "dead dry." 

• Yamaha slide lubricant (newer stuff, white liquid with applicator tip) also works well.  I just use a small amount on the slide stockings and work it in with the slide (though sometimes I cheat and spread a miniscule amount up the slide), and spritz with R.O. or distilled water.  No build-up if wiped clean with a dry cloth after playing. 

• I'm so old that I still have a jar of Pond's cold cream in the closet, and a small original Conn Super-Slick.  For modern slides and care techniques, these are just out of date.  The newer stuff really does work better for most of us (though it's hard to argue with Bill Watrous). 

• What doesn't work: Ultra-Pure trombone slide lubricant.  For me, and many other trombonists that I know, the result is a gritty, grabby slide.  Don't understand why, but it's a loser for us.  Anyone want a small bottle? - I'll send it to you for the cost of shipping! 

• I recommend staying away from Windex and other glass cleaners.  It's really not useful if you're otherwise keeping your slides clean, and the ingredients (including ammonia) can damage your lacquer.  Not a happy outcome! 

• Same would apply for WD-40, carburetor cleaner, lighter fluid, or other solvents and oils.  I'm also skeptical about brass polish, etc. inside a slide.  Your trombone isn't an internal combustion engine - the only things that should enter the instrument are your breath (mostly air and water, a little saliva) and very small amounts of special-purpose slide lubricants. 

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« Reply #36 on: Jun 12, 2015, 05:35AM »

The best material I've found to use on a cleaning rod is stretchy medical gauze. You can buy it on the CHEAP and it comes pre cut into the perfect shape. Because it's stretchy, you can wrap it "too" thick on the rod and be confident that it will hit every spot and not get stuck.

Did I mention that it's dirt cheap?
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« Reply #37 on: Jul 06, 2015, 04:43AM »

The best material I've found to use on a cleaning rod is stretchy medical gauze. You can buy it on the CHEAP and it comes pre cut into the perfect shape. Because it's stretchy, you can wrap it "too" thick on the rod and be confident that it will hit every spot and not get stuck.

Did I mention that it's dirt cheap?

Where do you get it?

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« Reply #38 on: Jul 06, 2015, 05:41AM »

Where do you get it?

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Oh, just in the health section at any old grocery store. It'll be near the bandaids in a small box. They come in rolls. Make sure its a roll, not the patches. Gauze is nice because its mesh structure is very mildly abrasive (against gunk).

Like this:

 http://www.walgreens.com/q/gauze-rolls
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« Reply #39 on: Jul 06, 2015, 06:33AM »

Oh, just in the health section at any old grocery store. It'll be near the bandaids in a small box. They come in rolls. Make sure its a roll, not the patches. Gauze is nice because its mesh structure is very mildly abrasive (against gunk).

Like this:

 http://www.walgreens.com/q/gauze-rolls

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