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« on: May 13, 2009, 04:32PM »

Does anyone know the differences between the Conn 50H and the Conn 79H?  I know both have .522" bores and F-attachments, but I'm curious what qualities set these models apart.
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2009, 04:57PM »

Check it out for yourself at the Conn Loyalist:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~cderksen/Conn50H1967image.html
http://www.xs4all.nl/~cderksen/Conn79H1969image.html

The 50H is a student bass, the 79H is a medium-bore pro horn.
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2009, 06:41PM »

The quick summary:
1. Shape of the wrap
2. Bell?
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2009, 09:17AM »

50H is a stuent model, 79H is a pro model. 79H would compare to a bach 36 with valve. also kanstul has a copy of itm, called 1588A.

i guess the difference is the bell, hammered more times, thinner metal.
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2009, 09:28AM »

well  maybe  not  much   
  its details in construction 
 inner  material  //shape of parts
79h tighter  more precise
50h  --looser
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Does anyone know the differences between the Conn 50H and the Conn 79H?  I know both have .522" bores and F-attachments, but I'm curious what qualities set these models apart.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2009, 06:50AM »

A student bass trombone, according to Conn?

That surely is a stretch of the imagination; however, I guess it would serve as a good introduction to the F-attachment.

I had a student or two who owned the 50H and it was a decent student-horn, at that time, provided they kept the valve string properly adjusted and in good condition.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2009, 07:30AM »

I'm not sure of the differences, but the 50H plays as well as any horn I have, particularly for 1st part stuff where the f-attachment is used more for alternate positions during fast passages.  It's a smallish bore horn, and for me it gets tough in the pedal ranges, but I am mouthpieced for higher stuff.
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2009, 07:30AM »

One note about the 50H - I can't play one without banging my knuckles on the bell as I go between 3rd and 4th position.
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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2009, 12:08PM »

Hello everyone, Fluor I noticed you commented on the bell metal being hammered.  I know for a fact that 50H were only spun, no real hammering on these type of horns.  I don't know about the Elkhart 79H's, but I don't think that they were "hand hammered" either. 

A few 50H's have Coprion bells.  Pure copper was plated onto a stainless steel mandrel by Anderson plating in Elkhart Indiana.  The valve section's bore on 50H's is also really small.  Haven't taken a caliper to them but I suspect that it is around .522" if not it is no bigger than .547"

50H  slides also have no nickel oversleeves and have very thin metal outer slide tubes (Lightweight).

Tuning slide is also not reversed like that of the 79H.

The 50H is definitely a brighter horn than a 79H,  never actually played a Coprion 50H, but have seen a few.

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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2009, 01:38AM »

i stand corrected!
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2009, 06:13AM »

One note about the 50H - I can't play one without banging my knuckles on the bell as I go between 3rd and 4th position.

Have you tried opening the angle between the slide and bell sections? I've never played a 50H, but that's worked on other horns I've played. I know the F att limits how far you can open it, unlike a straight tenor.

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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2009, 07:58AM »

the  distance  needs to be  opened up 
someimes its  ez  tp bend the  bell receiver  downward
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75 h  --copperish  flare /i think its red brass//   w  some features of  79h  and  50h  --right in between !!!!!!!!!!!!
76h  --tweener  2 straight



Have you tried opening the angle between the slide and bell sections? I've never played a 50H, but that's worked on other horns I've played. I know the F att limits how far you can open it, unlike a straight tenor.

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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2009, 12:00PM »

79H's are one of those under-appreciated horns, IMO. They play great, a warm sound with clear articulations, great flexibility and a terrific upper register... think of the 50H as a conn director with an F attachment (which is what it is)
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2009, 12:43PM »

79H's are one of those under-appreciated horns, IMO. They play great, a warm sound with clear articulations, great flexibility and a terrific upper register... think of the 50H as a conn director with an F attachment (which is what it is)

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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2009, 02:20PM »

79H's are one of those under-appreciated horns, IMO. They play great, a warm sound with clear articulations, great flexibility and a terrific upper register... think of the 50H as a conn director with an F attachment (which is what it is)

Likewise the 78H......
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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2009, 06:34AM »

I own one of the older ones(I belive they have the better rotors).I changed out the bell section with a 76H(8 1/2").This horn can play alot of different ways depending on the mouthpiece you use on it and the volume you need.Can be very dark with as small as a Bach 7 playing full mf volume and softer.Put a 7C in  and it brightens considerably.The other nice thing if you come up with this combination is I've found you can use either the 50H slide or the 76H slide on this horn.The 76H slide I happen to have is incredibly flexible,with a brilliant tone quality and slots very easily.Attacks on these horns are very out-in-front so you really have to have control of your tonguing.But i've received nothing but compliments on the sound and for me as a gigging playeer that is what I'm most interested in.
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