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greg waits
« on: Jul 06, 2009, 07:29AM »

I have a real problem with throwing away those little slivers of soap that are too small to use in the shower. For the longest time I have been tossing them into a large ziploc bag until I could figure a good way to reuse them.

I looked online today and found many great suggestions.

One is to microwave the pieces and spoon the resulting "liquid" into a form of your choice, let it cool and there you have it, a new bar of soap, large enough to use again!

I tried the micro method, but I am also experimenting with slow heating the bars on the stove in a small sauce pan. I am experimenting with adding a drop of artificial cocoanut flavoring (for the aroma).

Update later!

I will suggest to the forum staff that we add another topic corner, this one dedicated to green issues such as this.
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 06, 2009, 07:39AM »

I have a real problem with throwing away those little slivers of soap that are too small to use in the shower. For the longest time I have been tossing them into a large ziploc bag until I could figure a good way to reuse them.

I looked online today and found many great suggestions.

One is to microwave the pieces and spoon the resulting "liquid" into a form of your choice, let it cool and there you have it, a new bar of soap, large enough to use again!

I tried the micro method, but I am not experimenting with slow heating the bars on the stove in a small sauce pan. I am experimenting with adding a drop of aetificial cocoanut flavoring (for the aroma).

Update later!

I will suggest to the forum staff that we add another topic corner, this one dedicated to green issues such as this.

Can anyone say hippie? I am just messing with you. I think your carbon footprint using the microwave will outweight the waste of the soap.
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« Reply #2 on: Jul 06, 2009, 07:41AM »

I have a collection myself. I've been using them in the sink for washing my face and shaving (I use hand sanitizer for my hands because we're in a drought here in GA), but they keep building up faster than I'm using them. I'd thought about the nuke idea. That didn't work so well I gather?
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« Reply #3 on: Jul 06, 2009, 08:21AM »

Can anyone say hippie? I am just messing with you. I think your carbon footprint using the microwave will outweight the waste of the soap.

I thought about that, but hey, I am trying.
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« Reply #4 on: Jul 06, 2009, 08:22AM »

Another suggestion is get one of those mesh bags (for washing delicates etc), and simply tossing the soap leftovers into it. What you have in essence is a ersatz loofa with soap suds included.
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 06, 2009, 09:10AM »

Second the mesh bag.  With two or three pieces inside, it makes lather better then a plain bar.  One has to be a little careful that the smallest pieces don't crawl out of the bag with vigorous lathering.
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« Reply #6 on: Jul 06, 2009, 10:27AM »


I've never found this to be a problem.  When the soap sliver is so small as to be essentially unusable I take a new bar of soap into the shower with me, soak the sliver in the soap dish for the duration of my shower, and press it onto the top of the new bar of soap when I'm done.  When the soap dries, the sliver bonds to the new bar just fine.


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« Reply #7 on: Jul 06, 2009, 11:01AM »

I've never found this to be a problem.  When the soap sliver is so small as to be essentially unusable I take a new bar of soap into the shower with me, soak the sliver in the soap dish for the duration of my shower, and press it onto the top of the new bar of soap when I'm done.  When the soap dries, the sliver bonds to the new bar just fine.




I used to do that but found that the pieces always came apart.  In the old days they'd stick but maybe not with the modern formulas.  (And the "bath size" bars are smaller than they used to be, maybe that's part of the problem.)
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 06, 2009, 11:04AM »

I remember there being some kind of press you could use to compress the slivers together to make a new bar.

I used to use a brush and mug to shave and experimented with using the soap slivers for my mug.  Didn't work; the lather was awful.

Right now I have a small stack of slivers at the bathroom sink for handwashing.
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 06, 2009, 01:01PM »

I used to do that but found that the pieces always came apart.  In the old days they'd stick but maybe not with the modern formulas.

Works fine with the old school Ivory, and that's what we use since I don't like that moisturizing crap in many soaps these days.

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« Reply #10 on: Jul 06, 2009, 01:26PM »

I remember there being some kind of press you could use to compress the slivers together to make a new bar.


I bought one on Ebay a few years ago but I think someone borrowed it. It did work pretty well.

Update: my new soap bars look like crap, but they are big enough! I had them drying on the counter on wax paper and for a second they were mistaken as homemade buttermilk biscuits. I am glad that no  one took a bite. (shades of the Three Stooges  Eeek!)
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 06, 2009, 08:52PM »

Greg, you need to get out more.



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« Reply #12 on: Jul 07, 2009, 02:40AM »

I'm very bothered by the current trend for people in "civilised" countries to drink bottled water. How many joggers, tourists or even commuters sitting on a train do you now see clutching a plastic bottle of water as if a ghastly death by dehydration was only moments away?

Manufacturing these many billions of bottles is very bad for the environment. Recycling them is not a good option, being a very inefficient process, but chucking them away is infinitely worse. I've seen film showing entire beaches made up of fragments from these bottles; seabirds and other creatures are found dead with their intestinal tracts full of such fragments. Even the process of extracting mineral water can be detrimental to the community from whence it comes.

If you must, buy a couple of small plastic water bottles, then refill from the tap, keep in the fridge, and re-use over and over and over. I'm quite sure that anyone who is sufficiently affluent to afford a computer AND an expensive musical instrument or three is living within a country where it is safe to drink the water....
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« Reply #13 on: Jul 07, 2009, 05:34AM »

I avoid this issue by using liquid soap. No slivers ever.
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« Reply #14 on: Jul 07, 2009, 10:57AM »

If you must, buy a couple of small plastic water bottles, then refill from the tap, keep in the fridge, and re-use over and over and over. I'm quite sure that anyone who is sufficiently affluent to afford a computer AND an expensive musical instrument or three is living within a country where it is safe to drink the water....

This is what we do, and agreed! Our tap water is great here in the SF Bay Area but I see bottle of water everywhere. We reuse until the bottles get too dingy and crumpled to be trusted, then we fill them 3/4 full, squeeze out most of the air, and freeze them. They are great to keep an ice chest cool. Finally, when they are truly used up we recycle them.

Reuse, reuse... We have two tiny trash bins in our kitchen and we reuse our plastic grocery bags for trash. No need to buy special bags to throw away! The small size forces us to take the trash out more often, also a good thing.

Reuse... I save jars and tin cans. With a quick scrub, food jars are usually good in our house for at least one more go around with something I've made. Cans are not so handy for me, but occasionally they are useful in the garage or garden. They are perfect to reuse for starting seedlings or painting.

This used to be so normal.

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« Reply #15 on: Jul 07, 2009, 11:40AM »

Good for you! Good!

The tap water here, straight out of the tap, tastes nasty even when you run it to cold, but it's fine when it has spent a couple of days resting in the fridge.
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« Reply #16 on: Jul 07, 2009, 11:42AM »

Good for you! Good!

It's what my parents and grandparents did, and they did it simply to be thrifty.

Maybe these crappy economic times will at least see a corresponding resurgence in these old practices.

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« Reply #17 on: Jul 07, 2009, 07:48PM »

Take the sliver of soap and put it in your toilet and it will disolve some overnight, and the soapy water will help keep your toilet clean without having to use toilet ticks.

Works well!

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« Reply #18 on: Jul 07, 2009, 08:55PM »

...toilet ticks.
Do toilet ticks carry Lyme disease?  Or is it Rocky Mountain Potted Fever?
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« Reply #19 on: Jul 07, 2009, 09:01PM »

(hijacking thread...)

have a half used can of coke laying around?  put it in the toilet, let it stay overnight.  the acids will dissolve most "hangers on" leaving you with a clean bowl in the morning.

have a kid that has lost a tooth?  put the tooth in a glass of coke overnight and see what's left the next day.  keep your kid off the sodas...

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« Reply #20 on: Jul 08, 2009, 03:55AM »

Can anyone say hippie? I am just messing with you. I think your carbon footprint using the microwave will outweight the waste of the soap.

Can't you say the same thing about most recycling schemes??!!??  Evil
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« Reply #21 on: Jul 08, 2009, 05:18AM »

Maybe, but that's no reason to not recycle.  Technology gets better.  And there is not an unlimited supply of raw materials, or landfill space.
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« Reply #22 on: Jul 08, 2009, 06:03AM »

I agree with Doug.

Recycling technology is far from perfect. Cleaning out tin cans, plastic bottles etc before recycling is a bother. Trudging over to the areas where you can recycle glass, plastics, newspapers/mags, clothes etc is a nuisance. Also, although my own block of flats isn't enabled to do so, I'm told it is a real (and smelly) pain to keep food waste separately, particularly when rubbish collections have been reduced to fortnightly. However, it's still much better than doing nothing.
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« Reply #23 on: Jul 12, 2009, 12:54PM »

I use liquid body wash, but great to see ppl caring about those poor little lost soap pieces.  :cry:
We use a brita filter on our tap water so as to not use bottled water.
My girlfriend owns a very popular bakery here in San Diego ( elizabethandesserts.com )and does not offer bottled water for sale (but will gladly give a recycled paper cup of free brita water).
Remember folks, most plastic is made from petrochemicals!  So using less plastic means we buy less oil from overseas.

Also reg recycling, remember that the carbon footprint for mining metal ore (aluminum, etc) and drilling/transporting oil (plastics) is globally far greater than the emissions that a recycling plant puts out.

anywho my 2cents (and then some :-P
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« Reply #24 on: Jul 12, 2009, 05:46PM »

Here's an interesting link. Disposable wooden utensils! And they don't even splinter! Just toss them into your campfire when you are finished.

http://aspenware.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25&Itemid=1
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« Reply #25 on: Jul 12, 2009, 06:27PM »

Here's an interesting link. Disposable wooden utensils! And they don't even splinter! Just toss them into your campfire when you are finished.

http://aspenware.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25&Itemid=1
Wow, thanks!
My girl wants to stop carrying plastic utensils in her bakery as they are generally not recyclable.
Thanks for the link.  I showed her (she had heard of these) and she just ordered several thousand wood utensils!
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« Reply #26 on: Jul 12, 2009, 07:34PM »

Glad it helped. :)
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« Reply #27 on: Aug 02, 2009, 11:21PM »

Take a look at this:

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/30/magazine/recycling-is-garbage.html?sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

This is obviously a very old article, and like someone said, technology keeps improving, so I wouldn't necessarily believe everything written here. However, it was interesting to me to see an article that shot down recycle with so much fervor, so I figured I'd post it here. I think about it occasionally when I throw a Gatorade bottle in my recycling bin.
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« Reply #28 on: Aug 10, 2009, 11:51AM »

I'd like to see some states on direct and indirect costs and environmental impacts of recycling.

One thing I see is a wide difference in  policies among different counties/municipalities and waste management companies, especially in regard to how electronics and various labeled plastics are handled are hand. There is also a huge difference in allowable recycled amounts---some are unlimited, some limit to container size.
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« Reply #29 on: Aug 11, 2009, 01:35AM »

This weekend, I had to go over to my trumpet player's house to feed his cat. In his village, they have a very complicated system of how to separate the household rubbish, including putting all the food waste into one bin. Unfortunately, the council doesn't empty the bins very often. The bin for food waste was absolutely seething with thousands of maggots. NOT a good system!
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« Reply #30 on: Sep 19, 2009, 05:19AM »

This weekend, I had to go over to my trumpet player's house to feed his cat. In his village, they have a very complicated system of how to separate the household rubbish, including putting all the food waste into one bin. Unfortunately, the council doesn't empty the bins very often. The bin for food waste was absolutely seething with thousands of maggots. NOT a good system!

But by the time the maggots are finished with it, isn't there less waste?  :D

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« Reply #31 on: Sep 21, 2009, 03:26AM »

Funny thing, the waste was way down at the bottom of the bin, but the maggots were all crawling around the rim. Yerk.
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« Reply #32 on: Oct 07, 2009, 03:26PM »

How come the grocery stores can afford to give you (Ha, Ha. You think you are not paying for them?) high density polyethylene (HDPE) lightweight plastic bags but they can't afford to give you so-called environmental type bags - green bags. And are the green bags any better? The label says they are made of Poly Propylene. Is that environmentally superior to the normal plastic bags? Or is it just that you get a greater number of uses out of the green bags?

If the grocery chains are really worried about the environment, surely they would provide an environmentally friendly alternative that breaks down in weeks within a compost environment and does not leave any harmful residues in the process?

I don't think that the grocery chains in Australia give a tinker's cuss about the environment. They are only interested in profit.
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« Reply #33 on: Oct 30, 2009, 02:04AM »

Change of subject....

CA salmon in collapse.....rivers in central California are experiencing a complete disappearance of salmon. This particular story is about a river a short distance from where I live. I've seen the salmon run many times---huge fish, moving at incredible speeds towards their spawning grounds. Then absolutely nothing. F***ing nothing. Scientists have no answers, but suggest the ladders around the dams are not allowing fish to pass, fish hatchery spawn are genetically inferior, too many fish were eaten/destroyed before reaching the ocean, they are over-fished in the ocean. This has never happened. We are facing an eco-catastrophe of possible species (ours) extinction proportions. Man's impact on the planet is devastating and growing populations only punctuate a corner we probably turned ten years ago. Entire species are collapsing, literally overnight---bees, fish, amphibians, etc..

Our "right" is too dumb to perceive the danger and our left thinks they can fix things by "voting." I find this very depressing.  :(

Related story>: http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/national/2008/02/14/in-california-the-mystery-of-the-missing-fish.html Humans are such biological imperialists, to paraphrase a dear friend of mine.

Oregon, too. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/12084999086460.xml&coll=7

The Governator apologizes for destroying CA fisheries.  Too little, too late---arbitrary, greed-based interventions in nature tend to turn out badly-----for nature.
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Species' extinction threat grows

More than a third of species assessed in a major international biodiversity study are threatened with extinction, scientists have warned.

Out of the 47,677 species in the IUCN Red List of Threatened Species, 17,291 were deemed to be at serious risk.

These included 21% of all known mammals, 30% of amphibians, 70% of plants and 35% of invertebrates.

Conservationists warned that not enough was being done to tackle the main threats, such as habitat loss.

"The scientific evidence of a serious extinction crisis is mounting," warned Jane Smart, director of the International Union for the Conservation of Nature's (IUCN) Biodiversity Conservation Group.

Full story

IMHO, the use of the term "Green" has now come to represent an advertising campaign that cloaks the reality behind "Green technology"----i.e., at best, it merely controls the speed of the inevitable destruction of the planet due to human impacts. At worst, it gives then false impression that "Green" activities are a logical response to the destruction of the planet.
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« Reply #35 on: Nov 05, 2009, 10:04AM »

We recycle all we can.... but slivers of soap usually wind up going down the drain.

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« Reply #36 on: Nov 30, 2009, 09:25AM »

Solar panel costs falling in Europe, too.
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« Reply #37 on: Nov 30, 2009, 09:45AM »

There's a prime example of why the US is becoming a second rate manufacturing economy. We're falling behind in the areas that are going to create the jobs of this century. But hey, let's keep subsidizing big oil!!!!
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« Reply #38 on: Nov 30, 2009, 10:22AM »

I've posted it before on this forum, but homes in huge portions of this country could provide their own electricity with rooftop solar panels. We do it (we were fortunate enough to purchase a house with the panels installed) and haven't paid an electrical bill since. With "free" electricity, we've moved to using electric heat and thereby reduced our gas usage (and bill) as well.

Site-specific micro-generation is an answer that often gets overlooked: solar, wind, hydro, heat pumps, whatever combo works best at your site. I look at plans for large scale solar facilities out in the Mojave desert and huge wave generators in the Pacific Ocean and wonder if that money would be better served putting standard solar panels on x-thousand rooftops, at least first.

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« Reply #39 on: Dec 01, 2009, 01:03PM »

My institute's new laboratory building could have had solar power. It has a huge roof facing south, perfect. It should also have been constructed to be energy-saving in every way. Instead, we have just received notification that the thing is the most expensve building on the site to run. It costs £199,000 per year. This is a complete disgrace.
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I was heartened by a poll today on the SBS World News website:

"What issue is most important to you in the next federal election?

23% Health & education
22% Immigration
26% Economy
29% Climate change" Good!

And just out of interest, do you know how turning the lights off to save the planet for Earth Hour got started? Those of you who don't know might be quite surprised when you find out.
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« Reply #41 on: May 18, 2010, 03:02AM »

There is no chance that I will be around in 2050 but the thought of a world with seas that have no fish is kind of sad. :(

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1259412/Ocean-fish-could-vanish-in-40-years:-UN

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« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2010, 12:52PM »

Is anyone on here into backyard composting? I have really gotten deeply involved in this and it has turned out to be very satisfying.

Last year we bought a big free standing plastic composter, with doors on the bottom (all four sides). Theory is, when the compost is ready, you open the doors and scoop the nice sweet end result out and there you have it.

It doesn't work that easily unfortunately. Of course you have to stir up and turn over the material a lot to circulate it. Not doing this makes the whole process take a lot longer.

In the meanwhile I have been doing a lot of research and am now about to start practicing "bio-degrading", utilizing half buried containers with holes punched in the bottom. This allows works to come up and get involved!

The other option is to buy the real compost worms (red wigglers among other names), which are the most aggressive and productive worm for this application. And I can set up a system in the garage.

Time will tell, but for now I am going for the backyard method. I will say this, that there is something very satisfying about smelling that sweet loam that is the end result of composting.

And a side benefit is that our household kitchen waste is reduced by about 75% or better.

Go green!
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« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2010, 01:02PM »

We have a freestanding plastic ventilated compost bin that kitchen and yard cuttings go into but it needs to be periodically "tossed" which isn't easy within the plastic confines. Plus raccoons and other critters can (and do) get right into it if they smell something that they like. 

I think a rotating or tumbling barrel composter is the slickest setup, I want. Dump new stuff in, give it a spin, done!

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« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2010, 06:36AM »

I made mine from salvaged cinder blocks. I can turn it quite easily with a pitchfork, and get great results. The dogs keep the racoons at bay, and the chickens love to root around in it.
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« Reply #45 on: Oct 24, 2010, 07:49PM »

We have one in our garden, basically a small enclosed area made of that composite fence material and an oil pan covering it. Everything compostable goes in it. It is even more effective than my dad, who takes everyones' leftovers to work. :)
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« Reply #46 on: Feb 03, 2011, 06:13PM »

This idea is ingenious! But I don't use that soap anymore...my parents buy the stuff in the bottle
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« Reply #47 on: Feb 07, 2011, 09:49PM »

I think your carbon footprint using the microwave will outweight the waste of the soap.

Wow, I know I'm late to this party, I somehow missed this thread.

My wife likes to give away soaps that she has molded. At fist, using the microwave method, she kept warping the plastic molds. Then she learned that the soap gets way too hot that way. Heating in a double boiler on the stovetop is the ticket. You can control the temperature and don't invest any more energy than needed.

Her friends love receiving them.
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« Reply #48 on: Sep 20, 2011, 03:12PM »

I heard some interesting news today resulting from a survey by the CSIRO. They found that wind speeds 10m above the ground have increased by 10K/hr over the last two decades. This is very good news for wind farmers and alternative energy generation. But it is just another nudge to the climate change doubters. The cause is the that the circulation of air worldwide has changed due to climate change and Australia just happens to be a beneficiary. In other countries the news may not be so good.
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« Reply #49 on: Sep 20, 2011, 03:18PM »

in our church the choir loft is always hot.  it is also the highest spot in the entire church generally accessible to folks.

I repeatedly deny the rumour that it is only hot when I happen to be trying to sing.

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some folks don't believe me.

being of Irish ancestry and an attorney by profession seems to give some people the impression that I talk too much and that I'm full of hot air to boot.

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« Reply #50 on: Nov 07, 2011, 06:36PM »

I am really pleased to report the Australian Carbon tax legislation passed through the Senate today and will take effect from the middle of next year.

Ignoring all the politics and those that have lost or gained jobs due to their beliefs about controlling carbon emissions, I think the Greens leader was right when he said, "It's a 'green letter day' but one which will echo down the ages ... there's a celebration going on in this nation today. People 50 or 500 years from now will thank us for the passage of this legislation."

I suppose the downside is that the Coalition opposition is vowing to repeal the legislation if it wins the next election, which seems likely.

We shall see what we shall see but this is a breath of fresh air ;-) and puts us back in the forefront of those nations committed to preserving the earth is a state liveable for humans. Good! Even it it does increase our cost of living, it's worth it. And it might just pursued a few other countries to tow the line - America, China and India for instance.  Yeah, RIGHT.
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« Reply #51 on: Jan 09, 2012, 03:18PM »

This article is too long to post, and to try to give a short synopsis would do it an injustice. But I find the idea of our military at the cutting edge of alternative energy is both ironic and truly hopeful.

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« Reply #52 on: Jan 09, 2012, 04:35PM »

Neat.
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« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2012, 08:19AM »

I have the answer.
Take the slivers of soap, chop into small pieces, and put into a jar.  Add water and shake.  Use this soap slurry to refill your liquid soap dispensers.  Hey, you even get some exercise from the process.  Pretend it is a martini shaker and go to town.

1. The greenies are happy because soap was reused and a glass jar was also reused.

2. The nay-sayers are happy because no emissions were used in running a microwave or stove top to heat the soap to melt and put it into a mold.  You may recall some criticized the use of microwaves and stove tops for offsetting any gains from the use of fossil fuels to heat the soap.

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« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2012, 08:36PM »

conserve your energy, use a solar oven  Good!

I have the answer.
Take the slivers of soap, chop into small pieces, and put into a jar.  Add water and shake.  Use this soap slurry to refill your liquid soap dispensers.  Hey, you even get some exercise from the process.  Pretend it is a martini shaker and go to town.

1. The greenies are happy because soap was reused and a glass jar was also reused.

2. The nay-sayers are happy because no emissions were used in running a microwave or stove top to heat the soap to melt and put it into a mold.  You may recall some criticized the use of microwaves and stove tops for offsetting any gains from the use of fossil fuels to heat the soap.

Everybody wins.
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« Reply #56 on: Jan 05, 2013, 03:35PM »



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« Reply #57 on: Jan 07, 2013, 06:02PM »

Starbucks Introduces Reusable Cup That Sells for a Buck
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That's cheap enough that people might actually use it, which is good. But it is part of a shift from producer responsibility, which is not.

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« Reply #58 on: Jan 21, 2013, 05:01PM »

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We, the people, still believe that our obligations as Americans are not just to ourselves, but to all posterity. We will respond to the threat of climate change, knowing that the failure to do so would betray our children and future generations. Some may still deny the overwhelming judgment of science, but none can avoid the devastating impact of raging fires, and crippling drought, and more powerful storms.

The path towards sustainable energy sources will be long and sometimes difficult. But America cannot resist this transition; we must lead it. We cannot cede to other nations the technology that will power new jobs and new industries – we must claim its promise. That is how we will maintain our economic vitality and our national treasure – our forests and waterways; our croplands and snowcapped peaks. That is how we will preserve our planet, commanded to our care by God. That’s what will lend meaning to the creed our fathers once declared.



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« Reply #60 on: Jan 28, 2013, 09:13PM »



Nicholas Stern: Climate Situation 'Far Worse' Than Previously Thought
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Nicholas Stern, the British economist who made a big splash worldwide with his government-commissioned Stern Review on the Economics of Climate Change in 2006, is now saying that things are even worse than he let on in his famous report.
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« Reply #61 on: Jan 29, 2013, 09:00AM »

I think we can stop worrying now.

The point at which we could have reversed global climate change has already passed.

So we're screwed.

Keep driving those Hummers!!!

Glad I don't have children.
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« Reply #62 on: Feb 12, 2013, 09:49PM »

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« Reply #63 on: Feb 12, 2013, 09:54PM »

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« Reply #64 on: Feb 13, 2013, 04:38PM »

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« Reply #65 on: Feb 14, 2013, 08:18PM »

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« Reply #66 on: Feb 21, 2013, 12:30PM »

Red Hot Mamma,

On what are you basing your opinion?  You may be right but I am just curious why you feel that way?
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« Reply #67 on: Feb 28, 2013, 08:02PM »

The Energy Game is Rigged: Fossil Fuel Subsidies Topped $620 Billion in 2011
FEBRUARY 27, 3:56 PM BY LESTER BROWN

The energy game is rigged in favor of fossil fuels because we omit the environmental and health costs of burning coal, oil, and natural gas from their prices. Subsidies manipulate the game even further.




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« Reply #68 on: Feb 28, 2013, 10:48PM »

I agree with you entirely. It is a great shame that Australia's economy is so much based on mining, including the mining and exporting of fossil fuels.

On the health issues, it is not as though we have not had regular warnings down the years. In some cases this led to new legislation, as was the case in England with the Great Smog of 1952.



I remember those days and the absolute necessity of wearing a smog mask, or else expire on the spot. The smog even got into your house. Eeek!:



UK Government medical reports in the weeks following estimated that 4,000 people had died prematurely and 100,000 more were made ill because of the smog's effects on the human respiratory tract. It took them until 1956 to come up with the Clean Air Act. Recent pictures I have seen in some cities in China show the exact same conditions - maybe worse. We are all completely mad not to take heed. :-0
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« Reply #69 on: Mar 09, 2013, 08:47AM »

Here in the states solar energy is heavily subsidized, just like oil.  So why isn't solar flying high like fossil fuels?  Because even with subsidies it is not practical for the masses, and forget afforability.

You can cry about subsidies, and I am certainly no fan of the oil companies, but the implication that if subsidies were removed then somehow we would all be driving clean cars is a false assumption.  That was what you were implying in being critical of subsidies, wasn't it?  Don't get me wrong.  I hope I live long enough to see a world without oil, if for no other reason than I find it fascinating in how people adapt to the so called impossible.  I believe however that subsidies are only there to grow the business.  Look at Colombia (my wife's home country) for example.  All this oil but they are not profiting from nearly as much as they should.  You have to nuture an industry for it to be successful.

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« Reply #70 on: Mar 25, 2013, 10:46AM »

Is xeriscaping "historically inappropriate" in water-challenged Dallas?
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The local Landmarks Commission thinks so, and demands that Burton Knight tear out his front yard and plant grass.





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« Reply #71 on: Mar 25, 2013, 10:56AM »

State Department hid ties between Keystone XL report and TransCanada
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Mother Jones has found more information on how the State Department used Trans Canada conctractors to write its environmental report of the Trans Canada Keystone XL pipeline.
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Experts who helped draft the report had previously worked for TransCanada, the company looking to build the Keystone pipeline, and other energy companies poised to benefit from Keystone's construction. State released documents in conjunction with the Keystone report in which these experts' work histories were redacted so that anyone reading the documents wouldn't know who'd previously hired them. Yet unredacted versions of these documents obtained by Mother Jones confirm that three experts working for an outside contractor had done consulting work for TransCanada and other oil companies with a stake in the Keystone's approval.



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« Reply #72 on: Mar 25, 2013, 11:11AM »

Red Hot Mamma,

On what are you basing your opinion?  You may be right but I am just curious why you feel that way?

I agree with Mama...

Global heating is driven largely by positive feedback mechanisms (e.g., the ice albedo effect).

None of this is news to anyone who has been paying attention for years. It's an old and well documented story.

I also think it's too late even if ordinary citizens manage to defeat the corporate fascism that drives economic, energy and environmental policy.

I expect that wars over fossil fuels will soon be accompanied and eventually replaced by wars over fresh water and food and they become more and more scarce to more and more people. I'm also very glad that I don't have children. Also glad that I won't see much of the impending disaster.

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Burton is my hero for the day! Growing water intensive monocultures for ornamentation (e.g., turf grass) or food/industry (e.g., corn) is a waste of resources (not just water).
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« Reply #74 on: Mar 25, 2013, 11:26AM »

I also think it's too late even if ordinary citizens manage to defeat the corporate fascism that drives economic, energy and environmental policy.

I expect that wars over fossil fuels will soon be accompanied and eventually replaced by wars over fresh water and food and they become more and more scarce to more and more people. I'm also very glad that I don't have children. Also glad that I won't see much of the impending disaster.

Good luck!

Something is inevitably going to step in to counter our exponential population boom. If not ourselves and wars as we fight over limited resources, then things like plague and disease. It will just be a horrible thing when it happens.

Oh and per the lawns, there's enough trouble if you just try to replace a regular lawn with a garden in a normal lot. Gets real fun when you play with historic zoning.
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« Reply #75 on: Mar 25, 2013, 12:01PM »

Something is inevitably going to step in to counter our exponential population boom. If not ourselves and wars as we fight over limited resources, then things like plague and disease. It will just be a horrible thing when it happens.

Oh and per the lawns, there's enough trouble if you just try to replace a regular lawn with a garden in a normal lot. Gets real fun when you play with historic zoning.

We ecologists call that carry capacity (K).

Unfortunately, humans have the ability to change K to some degree. It would be interesting to analyze specific geographic areas for theoretical K with respect to humans. Sound like an interesting modeling study.

I say tax (heavily) those who reproduce above the replacement rate and give tax incentives for reproducing below the rate or not reproducing at all. I could use the extra cash. :-P

I'm a genetic death and proud of it!

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« Reply #76 on: Mar 25, 2013, 10:16PM »

Maryland moves one step closer to 200MW offshore wind farm
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The state of Maryland has been pushing for at least 3 years to build a 200-megawatt offshore wind farm off its coast, 10 to 20 miles from Ocean City. Getting all their ducks in a row hasn't been easy.




Moving beyond oil and gas requires willpower more than anything else
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One of the main barriers keeping us from making progress on renewable energy is in our minds. I'm not saying that we can dump fossil fuels overnight, or that it will be easy, but we could certainly do a lot more.

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« Reply #77 on: Mar 28, 2013, 09:12PM »

A train derailing, spilling 30,000 gallons of oil is still not a reason to build Keystone XL pipeline.
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A train hauling crude oil from Canada has derailed in Minnesota spilling 30,000 gallons of oil. Despite what proponents of the Keystone XL pipeline may argue, this is not a good reason to build that pipeline.

TransCanada — Keystone XL Pipeline — Pipeline Safety — Shutoff Valves from TransCanada on Vimeo.
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« Reply #78 on: Apr 02, 2013, 06:50PM »



Study shows a walk in the park fixes a fuzzy brain.
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The evidence keeps rolling in: when you need to clear your head, the best place to do it is out among the trees.

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The study suggests that, right about now, you should consider “taking a break from work,” Dr. Roe said, and “going for a walk in a green space or just sitting, or even viewing green spaces from your office window.” This is not unproductive lollygagging, Dr. Roe helpfully assured us. “It is likely to have a restorative effect and help with attention fatigue and stress recovery.”
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« Reply #79 on: Apr 13, 2013, 07:44AM »

As far as wind farms are concerned, I think there's some work to be done yet! Driving down the motorway yesterday, I passed a block of a dozen or so "windmills", all of which were facing in different directions and only one of which was turning. If the "powers that be" are going to install these ugly buggers everywhere, they could at least ensure the things work....

When discussing the value of the Amazon rainforests and why they shouldn't be cut down, many people witter on about unknown animal species, indigenous populations, possible new cancer cures etc. However, they are much more important and commercially valuable as a "sink" for carbon dioxide. Paying to maintain the rainforests would be much cheaper and more efficient than seeking new sources of low-emitting energy sources.

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« Reply #80 on: May 10, 2013, 02:17PM »

"Global greenhouse gases in the atmosphere have reached an ominous milestone that is unprecedented in human history.

The world's longest measure of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has reached 400 parts per million (PPM) for the first time in three million years."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-11/carbon-pollution-reaches-highest-point-in-3-million-years/4680276

I suppose it is good news for the surfers because I was also reading that global warming and rising sea levels are creating bigger waves. Mainly in the Southern Ocean, however, and some Northern Hemispherers will see decreases in their oceans. None of this is any good for small islands in the Southern Ocean as changing waves and rising sea level can cause recession probably of order in some places say 100 metres this century. That wipes out whole chains of low-lying Pacific islands. But don't get too smug because it could also mean that hundreds of millions of people who live in areas that will become increasingly vulnerable to flooding - Mississippi delta area for instance. Higher sea levels would force them to abandon their homes and relocate.

http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/critical-issues-sea-level-rise/

Another piece of bad news is that the Australian Carbon Tax - which was supposed to cut pollution, encourage green technology and raise money for family tax relief to compensate for rising prices due to the tax - has failed as far as revenue raising is concerned. This is due to linking it to the European carbon price, which has collapsed. Australian taxpayers are now facing a budget black hole of between $6-8 billion.

I think I am going to vote Green again in our September election because the Greens are the only ones who seem to have a proper plan for Carbon emission reduction in Australia. I am not so sure they have a proper management (government) team, or that the rest of the world will follow our lead, but I think at least their priorities are right. I would rather we all end up a little worse off financially than gasping for breath.

Bugs Bunny and Pink Floyd got it right, "Goodbye cruel world!" It has never been truer!
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« Reply #81 on: May 12, 2013, 02:50PM »

Interesting article on carbon trading:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/31193

Search…‘carbon trading fraud‘…many articles on the subject.
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« Reply #82 on: Jun 25, 2013, 08:17PM »

Psssst! Don't get too excited, but Obama is  calling this a plan! It's about time you American cats came on board. Not that our plans are making much headway. But it is only a good move if the majority of Americans are behind it. Otherwise it won't get off the ground.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-26/us-president-barack-obama-lays-out-new-us-plan-to/4780540

And in other news, tonight, before the International Court of Justice in The Hague, Australia will start to present its case against Japan's whaling program. Australia launched the legal action in 2010, and now it's come down to submissions by both sides over three weeks.

I still fail to see how slaughtering 900 Minke whales each year could ever be called scientific research. Bad dog.  No Biscuits. It is obviously a commercial enterprise and all the Japanese marketing proves it.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-02/whale-meat-sold-as-source-of-strength-in-japan/4728002

Hopefully, the Court will agree and this year's whale hunting season will be called off. They can hardly be called a Court of Justice if they do not find in favour of Australia and the whales.

Of course we could start torpedoing the Japanese whaling vessels. That's the course of action I would take. >:( I am sure Greenpeace would love to do that if Australia is chicken.
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« Reply #83 on: Jul 30, 2013, 09:12PM »

Frightening!

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap130731.html
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« Reply #84 on: Aug 04, 2013, 10:53PM »

Here is some good news out of Australia about power generation:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-05/new-report-shows-rapid-take-up-of-solar-panels/4864954

It just concerns me a little that, as I cannot see the costs of producing electricity going down even if demand does. Those of us who do not yet have the solar panels are going to get even bigger bills from the electricity retailers. Remembering also that we presently have a fairly tough carbon tax pushing up the price - although that may be changing a little due to the upcoming general election.

At least Queensland is 'the sunshine state' and, should we decide to invest in solar panels on the roof, we will at least be sure to generate something.
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« Reply #85 on: Aug 05, 2013, 07:12AM »

The New Truly Green Energy? ( some think so )

http://energyfromthorium.com/thorium/

Excerpt:

When the United States committed decades ago to uranium fuel and pressurized-water reactors for its nuclear program, other viable technologies were set aside. One, the liquid thorium fuel reactor with molten salt coolant, is re-emerging as potentially the safest, most cost-effective solution to future energy needs in the carbon-containment era. Thorium is abundant, produces far less toxic fission products than uranium and may soon compete with coal for cost per kilowatt-hour. The chemistry of thorium fission is compelling, and the engineering of thorium reactors, with a longer history than most people realize, appears to be seductively manageable.

More here:

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/motherboard-tv-the-thorium-dream

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There are many lingering questions about thorium, including sourcing the fuel, regulations, industrial inertia and persistent fears about radiation. While the disaster at Fukushima raised the specter of atomic destruction and pushed countries like Germany and Switzerland to announce an end to their nuclear programs, it’s also proved to be another teachable moment about how and why technologies come to be, and how to improve them. In the interest of cutting greenhouse gases, prominent climate scientists and environmentalists and technologists and presidents still argue that nuclear is a worthy enough technology to keep researching and improving. Before Fukushima, Obama’s nuclear policy was that safer nuclear plants are a “necessity,” and in February of 2010, he committed $8 billion in loan guarantees for new plant construction. His tune hasn’t changed – a reflection perhaps of the success of the industry’s lobbying and donations.


Search Bill Gates and Thorium for more.
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« Reply #86 on: Jan 16, 2015, 08:20PM »

More grist for the mill:

http://tromboneforum.org/index.php/topic,46486.0.html

and as you can read, our Aussie Federal government and State government here in Queensland continue to bury their heads in the sand. Don't know Yeah, RIGHT.

And I don't know about 2013, but 2014 is shaping up to be pretty hot also. We are presently experiencing high thirty Celsius temps. That's in the 90s for you non metrification types.


Right now it is 35°C but due to the humidity it feels more like 40°C = 104°F
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« Reply #87 on: Sep 10, 2016, 03:39PM »

At least one of the major pollution offenders is starting to take an interest:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-25/climate-change-the-third-pole-under-threat/7657672
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« Reply #88 on: Jan 08, 2017, 04:12PM »

I have been feeling very sorry for people living in Beijing, and other cities in China and India similarly affected by pollution.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-08/chinese-air-pollution-crisis-caused-by-ongoing-coal-use/8168702

Having experienced the Great Smog of London in 1952, I remember that it did lead to changes and some worthwhile Clean Air legislation:

http://www.history.com/news/the-killer-fog-that-blanketed-london-60-years-ago

I suppose the biggest change I noticed in those days, when a lot of pollution was from domestic causes, was that we no longer sat in front of a burning coal fire of an evening: changing instead to coke, which somehow was not as cosy. But it was much better than that terrible smog and the general unhealthy environment we had been putting up with.

I was wondering if maybe Beijing could learn something from the action taken by the Brits after 1952, until I read this article in todays ABC news:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-09/london-activists-ramp-up-fight-against-deadly-air-pollution/8168076

And so it seems that the Brits have just as serious a pollution problem, almost as Beijing these days. Eeek!

And in Australia, the provider of much of the coal which causes worldwide pollution, I think people are finally getting the message and starting hold the government to account for not taking enough action. Without much success, I have to say. Well, you have to take action when it affects something as important as the Australian ski season :D :

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-09/climate-change-could-shrink-australia-ski-season-csiro-says/8166372

That's a loss of a lot of tourist dollars, as well as spoiling our fun.

I believe Obama did a lot during his term to try and lead worldwide action against pollution. He obviously was not as effective as he would have wished to be. But the future is very bleak without US-inspired action! I do not think that the climate change doubter now coming into the White House is going to do much. Yeah, RIGHT.

I feel very sorry for future generations and very regretful that my generation (and a couple following) have caused such large climate changes and have not left a cleaner world. :(  Although time is fast running out, I don't think it is yet too late to make an effective concerted effort. Please, Oh Please! If you had lived through that killer fog that blanketed London in 1952, you would know how terrible pollution can be.
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« Reply #89 on: Jan 09, 2017, 02:57AM »

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I don't think so in general, except there is a big problem in large cities and towns with heavy traffic, with diesel fumes causing a big problem. As you previously said, the clean air acts made a massive difference. I grew up in a coal mining village, everyone burned coal as it was a perk of the job, but the whole village smelt and had pall of dirty air every time there was a hint of fog or mist; that sort of thing has long since gone.

England has now followed Wales in introducing a tax on plastic bags in shops; so the number of bags issued has dropped by about 85% I belive, as people now reuse them.  We could do with far better reuse and recycling here; a lot more is possible  but politians (local and national) don't touch it because of cost implications and votes lost. Too much short-term thinking. Reuse is the way to go, and strongly discourage mixed or unrecyclable packaging. Our local 'waste amenity' aka 'tip' has started charging for taking diy waste and a some other items: it's no coincidence that fly tipping has since increased 25%, and probably costs the locl authority much more to clear up. Dealing with rubbish is a a major problem.
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« Reply #90 on: Jan 10, 2017, 12:29AM »

Australia is not free of pollution problems either, with NSW Health issuing a warning today about toxic ozone gas. Not good with a severe to extreme heat wave about to hit the Eastern Australia, starting down south. Temperatures above 40 degrees Celsius are due in several areas over the next three days.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-10/sydney-high-air-pollution-prompts-warning-from-nsw-heath/8171618
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