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« on: Oct 04, 2009, 10:51AM »

Alrighty! I am in the market for a trombonium, and I was wonder what brands are known to be of good general quality. I know King is supposed to be pretty darn good, but what about the Conns? How are the H.N. White's?
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 04, 2009, 11:16AM »

The H.N. White/King (same company, different era) tromboniums are pretty much a valve bone (.500" bore) wrapped like a bell-front baritone.

The Conn is another matter; it's a baritone valve section (.562" bore) mated up with a 8H/88H bell and tuning slide. A much darker sound than the King.

They're as well-made as the trombones of the same era by the same builder (which is to say that they're pretty well put together). Which one you choose is mostly a matter of the kind of sound you want.
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 04, 2009, 11:24AM »

Thanks a lot guy!
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 05, 2009, 01:02PM »

For your viewing pleasure, found this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Vtg-H-N-WHITE-Co-KING-TROMBONE-Trombonium-c1955_W0QQitemZ120442236864QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBrass_Instruments?hash=item1c0aeaafc0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 05, 2009, 01:13PM »

Not to mention:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Conn-Model-90G-Silver-Valve-Trombone-NORESERV_W0QQitemZ280403415250
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 05, 2009, 01:21PM »


That is a sweet instument!
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 05, 2009, 02:34PM »

Played a Conn like that years ago and it was wonderful.  Like an idiot I sold it because I didn't like the baritone horn looks of the thing.  Many times I have wished I had it back.  Fabulous playing instrument in all regards.
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 06, 2009, 12:15PM »

I am sorry for my lack of knowledge. But what exactly constitutes a trombonium?
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 06, 2009, 12:44PM »

I am sorry for my lack of knowledge. But what exactly constitutes a trombonium?

If you follow the ebay links you can see for yourself.
I've never seen one but its a valve trombone shaped more like a baritone.
No longer manufactured.
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 06, 2009, 03:45PM »

I am sorry for my lack of knowledge. But what exactly constitutes a trombonium?

Here's a link to an earlier topic on The Trombone Forum about tromboniums:

http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=20512.msg289905

There are some very nice photos in that topic and some good discussion.
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 07, 2009, 02:42AM »

I think it should be called the "EU-FUNNYBONE-IUM" :/

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« Reply #11 on: Oct 07, 2009, 03:55AM »

bag  is  wanting to trade a chinesealto and holton trmpt  in on a trombonium

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anybody  wanna   trade ???????????????????
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300 bucks for  a  90g  ???????
 not this  week !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #12 on: Oct 07, 2009, 05:05AM »

That 90G went for over $1000! Amazed Amazed Amazed

Seems a bit steep, IMO, but I doubt the seller is complaining. Evil
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« Reply #13 on: Oct 07, 2009, 01:34PM »

I mentioned the trade with cash added Mr. Kennedy . . .I am not trying to low ball anyone. . .
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« Reply #14 on: Oct 07, 2009, 01:46PM »

I mentioned the trade with cash added Mr. Kennedy . . .I am not trying to low ball anyone. . .

How much cash?  Shipping?   Evil
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« Reply #15 on: Oct 07, 2009, 04:07PM »

Depends what the horn is. And i would pay shipping.
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« Reply #16 on: Oct 07, 2009, 05:58PM »

I think I am selling a NY 16 II for under $1000...  $600 less than what it "could" go for.

$700 less for a 90G is stretching it sad to say.  Sorry Ebag, but you should keep watching eBay and keep an eye on the prices.  They don't lie as that is the market like it or not.

I had a Trombonium for a while, but sold it.  Are they really worth it?  Up to you to decide.  I think they are similar to a Slide Trumpet, cool to have, but not many uses.  Evaluate it, is it just an emotion telling you that you need one?  Or is it a real need?
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« Reply #17 on: Oct 07, 2009, 06:14PM »

Nobody used to know what 90Gs were. I got mine for $65.00 on Ebay.

Recently, a rather ratty specimen went for $700 on Ebay.

I think tromboniums  (trombonia?) are useful in certain settings. I don't use mine as much as I'd like to because I switch horns a lot during gigs and it's hard to mic an upright bell.

The Kings, and the Reynolds clone of the King, can be had for $300 or less. If you're like most people, you buy it, play it for a month, decide you hate it, sell it what you paid for it. Keeps USPS happy.
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« Reply #18 on: Jun 12, 2010, 11:15AM »

Resurrecting this thread, I guess....

Just purchased a Conn 90G trombonium. I've played valve trombone (and slide) for years, but always wanted a bigger sound, but baritone and euphonium just don't do well for jazz. Too diffuse. It came down to having a tech make me a large bore valve bone or get the 90G. Well, I opted for the 90G and after 5 days of playing it, I am sorry I didn't get one of these eons ago - great horn, full, smooth sound and the ergonomics are incredible! No more fighting the weight out front. It's all in close and easy to handle. But the real thing of it is the sound. I am convinced that the 8H bell and large bore make all the difference.

Obviously, a number of people are rediscovering this horn...as reflected in the recent prices, but for what they are, they are worth every penny. (I was lucky in that the one I got is in virtually new condition - not bad for a 40-year old horn).

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« Reply #19 on: Jun 12, 2010, 09:44PM »

Resurrecting this thread, I guess....

Just purchased a Conn 90G trombonium. I've played valve trombone (and slide) for years, but always wanted a bigger sound, but baritone and euphonium just don't do well for jazz. Too diffuse. It came down to having a tech make me a large bore valve bone or get the 90G. Well, I opted for the 90G and after 5 days of playing it, I am sorry I didn't get one of these eons ago - great horn, full, smooth sound and the ergonomics are incredible! No more fighting the weight out front. It's all in close and easy to handle. But the real thing of it is the sound. I am convinced that the 8H bell and large bore make all the difference.

Obviously, a number of people are rediscovering this horn...as reflected in the recent prices, but for what they are, they are worth every penny. (I was lucky in that the one I got is in virtually new condition - not bad for a 40-year old horn).

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The 90G is a good playing instrument, except that the bell up configuration doesn't lend itself to many ensembles.  If playing in a section of front facing instruments the blend will be off.  If playing with a mic on a stand, that doesn't work either.  But if a person plays in a small club combo without amplification, this can be a great instrument to give some variation to the slide trombone.  And of course, if a person uses a clip-on mic, then there are no problems.

You can play the Conn in tune fairly easily.  I doubt that anybody has an easy time playing any of the Kings in tune.  The story goes that JJ and Kai both hated them for that reason, but they had an artist deal that required them to promote it.
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