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« on: Dec 05, 2009, 12:45PM »

These are some of the very best of the best engraving done on instruments. Here's a link to some of the wonderful work done at Conn back in the glory days.

http://www.dumarsengraving.com/gallery/index.html


I was lucky to find one of these recently. A 1926--1929 40H  Theres a discrepancy in the manufacture date because the gentleman I purchased it from said his great uncle bought it new in 1926.  The serial number suggest that it was manufactured in 1929.

I have great plans to restore this once magnificent piece of art back to the condition it was in.  The 40H is still a relevant instrument. This one was gold and silver with the portrait in the middle. Still in the mail. Pictures were pretty blurry. Never know, might be all there. I have some pics I'll post a little later.

  But, the purpose of this thread is to ask if anyone else has a Sternberg engraved trombone?  I would love to see any pictures.
 
  I see alot of well deserved hoopla over the Williams horns. There should be at the very least a compassionate group of Conn Loyalists that can muster the effort to post 30 or so pages of gushing testimonial of their love for what can only be described as some of the finest works of art achieved in the musical instrument world.  No offense to anyone, but my feelings are that at the height of Conns production, they had a dozen Earl Williams' working for them. We just don't know many of their names. Sure we honor Burkle, but I don't know of any others at Conn by name other then the Stenberg Brothers and another engraver that I recently read about.

So I would love to see some more examples and thoughts of these beautiful horns.




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« Reply #1 on: Dec 05, 2009, 01:53PM »

Does Stenberg actually sign them, or is it just the style that lets you know? I have a Martin Dansant with the same sort of oval frame with a pastoral scene engraved in it. It's gold burnished on top of silver plate on top of brass. Looks really similar to what you have there.
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 05, 2009, 02:01PM »

Does Stenberg actually sign them, or is it just the style that lets you know? I have a Martin Dansant with the same sort of oval frame with a pastoral scene engraved in it. It's gold burnished on top of silver plate on top of brass. Looks really similar to what you have there.

There were two Sternberg brothers. One worked for Conn his entire career.65 years I think. The other left for a couple years then came back. I suppose he may have gone to work for another company at that time.

I'm not sure if either actually put their signature on them, or if the work is the signature.

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Engravers for these instruments were highly respected artists. They are discussed at length in Elkhart’s Brass Roots ( Banks 1994, 8 –12). James H. "Jake" Gardner was Conn’s first master engraver. He was responsible for many important instruments, e.g., Patrick Gilmore’s ornately engraved cornet of 1886 and Gardner’s own trombone of 1888. For his engraved instruments, Gardner would either sign his name or just place his initials "JHG" or just "G" on the instrument. Occasionally, he would not sign an instrument, but his personal style can be recognized by the trained eye. Two of his students stand out from the crowd, Charles Stenberg (1865-1957) and his brother Julius (1868-1954). They were perhaps unrivaled in their careful and elaborate engravings of the C. G. Conn instruments. Charles was an engraver from 1882 to1886, and also 1890 to the end of his life. Julius worked continuously for sixty-seven years for Conn beginning in 1890.

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« Reply #3 on: Dec 05, 2009, 02:14PM »

This is close to what mine is supposed to look like.

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« Reply #4 on: Dec 05, 2009, 07:39PM »

Take a lok at SHeri Huntleys website. She does a lot of reengraving if that is what you call it. http://www.artisticengraving.com/ She has a lot of the old Conn designs on her site.
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 06, 2009, 07:52AM »

There was this beautiful 70H that went through eBay a while ago..
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 06, 2009, 08:04AM »

The one I really liked was this 38H:



You've got to wonder whether these were designed by the artist, or if the player designated the design. Reminds me of tattoos.

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« Reply #7 on: Dec 06, 2009, 09:46AM »

Thats what I was thinking too. Tattoo's And I dig the dancing dude horn also. There's one called Leda and the swan.

Or, Scrimshaw.

I read that it only took one of the brothers half a day to complete a project.  Thats pretty fast. For such detailed work.

I've seen fancy 4H's from this era also. I was thinking that maybe Drew had one in Honolulu.???
I remember it going on ebay a while back.

Another question.
This is the case it is coming in.



Now when I was reading old posts about the 40H I came across this one,
http://tromboneforum.org/index.php/topic,48087.msg673287.html#msg673287

Well that is, what is now my horn. It just so happens that the guy still had it up on c/l and when I contacted him he said he would sell it to me. That was before Thanksgiving. Then he went on holiday. So I was getting antsy. Then I find this old thread from what September. I thought for sure the dude was setting me up. Then he finally gets the horn to the UPS people to put it in a box and ship it to me. I was pulling my hair out. I didn't pay big money for this horn. $300 shipped not to much to lose, but I REALLY wanted one of these art horns. Specially a 40H.  Thats a player.  Guy that sold it to me said his dads uncle bought the horn new in 1926. His father inherited it and played it professionally for over 30 years. Mostly dixieland stuff with the 40.  Then he switched to a larger bore instrument. Left it in the case back in the 80's and when he passed away it was the last of his dads horns that he kept.  Felt it was okay with his dad now to let it go.  Made me feel kind of sad.  But It completely goes with what I was saying on the Williams thread. This STUFF we love. It's the treasure of others past lives. They hold on to it to remember their loved ones.  I was sure to get the names of both his dad and his uncle so I can preserve the history of the horn.

So here's my other question--->   I read Bruce's comments about the case in the other thread about this horn.  Could it be possible that because this was a special model "Artists" 40H, that it came in a deluxe coffin style case?  Not a Martin case as it was suggested? It would be cool if that was the actual case it came in.
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 06, 2009, 07:54PM »

The case in your picture sure looks like a Martin case.  I have one with my Imperial in it.

The 40H that I have came in a French style case that was not much bigger than the horn.  If I get a chance I'll try to take some pictures, but don't hold you breath.

The original case started having problems with the wood separating and the cover material peeling, so I moved the horn to an old Holton Collegiate (molded) case while I work on the old one.  I had to put a block of foam in the Holton case to keep the bell and slide sections from hitting each other.

The only other 40H I know of is currently residing in a GIG bag (in yellow and black; you can see it a mile away).
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 06, 2009, 11:11PM »

here's my 1924(209,0xx) Conn 4H











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« Reply #10 on: Dec 07, 2009, 05:37AM »

[drool]

That is truly gorgeous.

I had thought the "naked lady" engraving was the bust that includes a head and a hint of a bosom.  This one is really a naked lady Amazed  Great interpretation of Leda and the Swan.
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 07, 2009, 06:49AM »

Y'all need to quit posting such nice engravings. Makes me wanna send a horn off and spend some money that I don't have spend.  >:(

Ya know, a Super Olds has a nice engraved tone ring.... and a blank bell/canvas that could be engraved elaborately.  :/

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« Reply #12 on: Dec 07, 2009, 08:09AM »

THATS THE ONE!!!!  Now thats what I call serious horn porn!!!!  BAM!!!  I LOVE IT!!!!!



I saw that horn go through ebay when it sold.  I'm sure I put a bid on it.

Put me on the list of those that want it.

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« Reply #13 on: Dec 07, 2009, 09:07AM »

THATS THE ONE!!!!  Now thats what I call serious horn porn!!!!  BAM!!!  I LOVE IT!!!!!



I saw that horn go through ebay when it sold.  I'm sure I put a bid on it.

Put me on the list of those that want it.


if I ever decide to part with it you'll have first dibs Good!
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« Reply #14 on: Dec 11, 2009, 06:57PM »



Very happy!  Nice horn.  To stinky to blow. The engraving is fabulous! Very little damage in the way of dents. The inners will need to be addressed.  The coffin case is indeed a Conn case.  Has the three dudes logo on the top.   
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« Reply #15 on: Dec 11, 2009, 07:02PM »




  :Notice the door knob and hinges on the front door to the cabin.






1929 Conn 40H
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« Reply #16 on: Dec 12, 2009, 11:53AM »

I wish I could get quinntheskimo to post some pictures.

I have seen a small part of his collection and it would make all of you drool.

I think he got that 70H with the E valve.  I played it when I was over at his house trying out a Mt Vernon 50B.  It was gold plated and heavily engraved like the pictures, I just can't remember for certain.

He has a bunch of old gold plated Conns with engraving like that...I think they are sitting next to his sarrousaphones... :-P

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« Reply #17 on: Jan 29, 2010, 10:58AM »

So here it is!  If this horn plays like the one I have (tons of air leaks included), it is just a great instrument.  If I had a thousand dollars I would bid that much for this horn. The one I have needs to be restored at a cost of over a thousand just to get the plating done.  if money lands in my lap before now and the end I plan on trying to get it.  But I encourage anyone else that may want it to bid, to bid.  In fact I may have a fire sale on my very nice 1934 silver 78H............my tied for first place horn. 


  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150409543525




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« Reply #18 on: Feb 04, 2010, 09:15AM »

$1200 and climbing. 

Okay Drew, I yield to your superior buying skills.  But when I 'm in Honolulu next month I want to blow through it. Way cool
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« Reply #19 on: Feb 04, 2010, 09:22AM »

I want to jump in and snipe the thing

how much will people give me for my collection of several pea shooters, a  35ish Buescher Grand with Gold, a 1941 Conn 4H, a a mid 70's Conn 6H, the kid's Benge 190F and Yamaha 354, the kid, soon to be 16, and the two dogs??????


come on folks, help me out.
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