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« on: Aug 07, 2010, 05:42AM »

I have an Olds Patent April 2-1912 horn that does not have a serial number.  Is that common for that period horn?  This is not an TIS horn.  It is a dual bore with an 8" bell and looks like brass with nickle trim if that makes any sense.

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« Reply #1 on: Aug 07, 2010, 05:53AM »

I believe the patent covered the tuning slide mechanism, so there is something wrong with your description.

My Olds Patent 1912 has a bear engraved on the bell (makes it 1920s).  It says ML (Medium-Large dual bore), 8" bell, and the slide section has the serial number of 6xxx (1925). 

Check the Links section for Rouse's Olds Fanatic pages and you should find some useful information on this model.

I would guess someone has replaced the hand slide.  Do you have a tuning slide in the bell section?
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 07, 2010, 06:01AM »

The tuning slide is in the bell section and the slide is fluted. Friction fit.

The bell is marked.  Made by F.E. Olds Patent April 2-1912.  Los Angeles.  Hmmm...
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 07, 2010, 06:20AM »

Early Olds horns had the SN stamped on the bell tenon, slide tenon, slide handle and water key. Have you checked all of those places? Are you sure you looked underneath the slide locknut? That's the usual place.
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 07, 2010, 06:31AM »

Early Olds horns had the SN stamped on the bell tenon, slide tenon, slide handle and water key. Have you checked all of those places? Are you sure you looked underneath the slide locknut? That's the usual place.

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A bit disappointing.  The horn is in excellent shape... fastest slide I've seen on an old horn like that.
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 07, 2010, 08:36PM »

OK... I found what looks to be an old faint imprint of a serial number... my best guess is 13X8 or 15X6... just above the friction fit tube.  Very Very faint but seems something was there at one point.  That puts it at 1920ish?

Fluted slide with no Inslide Tuning.  Make sense to anyone? 

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« Reply #6 on: Aug 07, 2010, 08:41PM »

Fluted slide came much later.  My 1925 has round tubes and I can certify they are original since I bought the horn from the daughter of the original owner.

A thought.  Could your bell be a replacement?
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 07, 2010, 08:46PM »

Certainly could be.  Did fluted slides ever come friction fit?
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 07, 2010, 09:04PM »

Certainly could be.  Did fluted slides ever come friction fit?

Yep. They even came in solid nickel. I have two early Olds horns with friction fit and fluted inners.
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 07, 2010, 09:10PM »

There is a reproduction of the 1927 Olds catalog on Olds Central.  Does this look familiar?

http://rouses.net/trumpet/olds27/olds_27_14.htm
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« Reply #10 on: Aug 07, 2010, 09:39PM »

Looks like the horn... minus the Bear engraving.  Just the standard Patent April 2-1912.  Thanks guys!
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