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« on: Aug 26, 2011, 04:50PM »

Looking through the classifieds for the first time I was suprised by the high percentage of entries without attached photographs. This puzzled me as I would certainly not buy an instrument without a least seeing a photo first. anyone out there who would?? and why??
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 26, 2011, 04:53PM »

I think it depends on the person(s) you're buying the horns from.  I've bought three trombones from a couple of people on the forum and have been very happy with all three of them.  Both of these guys have excellent reputations for the horns they have available and I think their reps are well deserved.

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« Reply #2 on: Aug 26, 2011, 04:54PM »

that is a question I ask whenever I see that someone has found an instrument on craiglist.

I mean, ebay is bad enough but you usually get pictures, on craiglist unless you can travel to where it is, all you have is someone's description

or am I missing something?

by the way, I have bought two trombones w/o seeing them or seeing pictures, both from DJ Kennedy and I haven't been disappointed.
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 26, 2011, 05:14PM »

To a large extent it is dependent on the price and whether I can afford to buy a "pig in a poke".

I bought one that turned out to be a nice G-bass (I was hoping it was).

I bought another that turned out to be a Conn Director in a fancier Conn "Wedgie" Case.  I sold off the trombone, still have the case in case I need a decent case.

Would I buy a "critical" horn that way?  NO!
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 26, 2011, 07:10PM »

I would from DJ.
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 26, 2011, 07:22PM »

I did and it was the worst purchase I've ever made. As a matter of fact, from now on I will never buy or trade a horn without playing it for at least a full week.
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« Reply #6 on: Aug 26, 2011, 08:38PM »

As Sam Burtis often likes to quote:

Yer pays yer money, yer takes yer chances.

I've done it 5 or 6 times, and been both delighted and disappointed.
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 26, 2011, 08:42PM »

My four horns I've bought- three used trombones, and one brand new euph- have all been great. All sight unseen. As well as all the mouthpieces I use now.
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 26, 2011, 08:46PM »

I know that I have had a lot of problems adding photos to TTF classifieds so I email pictures to interested parties.  Don't know
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 26, 2011, 09:04PM »

If I am in the market for a used horn, I will go to TRUSTED sellers who are honest, and will probably exchange a few PM's so that I can get a better idea of what I am getting out of the deal.

Without seeing it? I would want at least pictures.  :/
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« Reply #10 on: Aug 26, 2011, 09:44PM »

no, pics or you don't have it.
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 27, 2011, 08:39AM »

I've always had a hard time figuring out why a lot of ads/posts don't have pictures.  I know grandparents who know how to take pictures (on their phone!) and post them to the internet.  It's not that hard.   :/
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« Reply #12 on: Aug 27, 2011, 08:57AM »

I would never buy a trombone online without seeing some photos. I think it's more problematic buying a trbn online because of slide issues. I've never bought a horn from DJ, but I'm sure from what I have heard, I would trust his word. I bought a vintage Holton 65 on Ebay last year. The photos looked OK. When I got the horn, the slide was completely unrepairable. It was sprung, dented and rippled. (the photos looked good) By the way, I put a Holton tr-100 slide (.500 bore) on the 65 bell (.458) and the result was miraculous. Great response in all registers and VERY in tune.
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« Reply #13 on: Aug 27, 2011, 08:58AM »

They should at least say e-mail for pictures

Sometimes its hard to put stuff up here
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 27, 2011, 10:29AM »

Pictures sometimes tell a thousand works, sometimes they lie.

I would buy an instrument from a seller I knew to be trustworthy, and those are few and far between.  I can think of a half dozen guys here on the forum that I would trust their word and pretty much no one else.  The TTF classifieds have treated me well, but I have not bought any horns off of it.  I did buy/trade a horn from DJ a while back, and it was in fact as he described.  DJ is my buddy and I know he likes helping people and not just selling snake oil.  He is legit and honest in his descriptions.  This forum is full of testimonials for him.  He is one of the guys I trust.

Now back to the point.  Caveat Emptor   Buying a horn from someone without pictures that is unknown and selling for too low of a price??  Probably too good to be true. 

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« Reply #15 on: Aug 27, 2011, 10:57AM »

Like Benn said,
I would buy an instrument from a seller I knew to be trustworthy, and those are few and far between.

If I was buying from a trustworthy seller and he gives accurate descriptions of the product (like DJ does) then I would be more inclined to buy it.

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« Reply #16 on: Aug 29, 2011, 12:10PM »

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  i could  do pics 
i could  take pics of a total crappola  trombone
     AND  make it look  GREAT
i have  gotten  ROTTEN  JUNKQUE  WITH PICS  !!!!!! >:( >:(
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 i  have sold   numerous  trombone w/o   pics
you  cant tell  -if slide has  a pro  setup
how  a bell responds
what the vibration is like
if a  horn is a good match  for personality
what  it will need 
clean  or dirty 
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 even w  pics  sometimes it  is risky 
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 buying from a  ttf  member  in full standing is
much safer 
 because  of the ttf   code of honor 
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and  those   ttf  members  who  would  abuse  other members
w  a bad  bone 
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 often come to the forum seeking advice
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  buying from ebay w pics  --right now  july  18
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  while  pics    are  a great help
i know  what  a 2b   3b   bach  36  looks like   :/ :/ :/ :/ :/
  what i  wanna know   is  much  more 
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 29, 2011, 12:48PM »

Yes Yes Yes.  Buy every Martin Committee trumpet that comes up for sale under 1001 dollars if it was made in Elkhart.  Thats a fact.  Who needs a picture of a great deal?  Just one example.  If you need it to be in a certain condition, visually, then by all means a picture is worth about as much a the paper its printed on.  The real test is in the blow. 

I think its the buyer responsibility to ask all the questions that have not been addressed if its important to you.  But if you buy a horn with limited information then its your fault.  If the seller has intentionally left out critical details that would tip the scales in their favor then its a bad seller needing to be avoided.  People make mistakes.  I have in posting ads. A full proof return policy takes care of that.   alway am willing to take back any horn I have sold, or am selling for any reason within a reasonable amount of time.  I think this takes care of any mistakes.  Just because you don't like the blow is not a great reason though.  It should be a no brainer.  If you buy any trombone without playing it first you may not like it.  That is not the fault of the seller.  It just seems like part of the equation to me.  Like buying a hat without trying it on first. Not my fault you look funny in it.  Now If you want to buy a horn on the condition that you would like to try it out first then by all means ask for that option. I'll do it.  But you can't expect the seller to eat the shipping and handling costs.  Insurance is expensive.  Its way better to buy a trombone from someone that cares about their reputation.  Most forum members here care about their reputations.  Some don't.  For example. If you don't know the value of an instrument that you want to sell, say a Williams horn. Most people here know that they command at the very least several hundred dollars. Especially the guys that collect them and already own them.  Greed can overcome some people and cause them to be dishonest and make them do anything to buy a horn.  Including omission of the truth.  The same goes for sellers.  They tend to get greedy and leave out something.  Its usually that something that is the most important.  Look at an ad and ask yourself what they left out, then ask about that specifically.  If you don't you will get burned almost every time.  On occasion I will pick a trombone that had pictures from a cell phone that are blurry, and there is no way you can tell the true condition.  Usually someones ex roommate or a parent that has no real desire for anything other than getting rid of a space taker. The hundred dollar 6h is almost always a great deal.

In short.  It always the buyers responsibility to ask the right questions.   
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« Reply #18 on: Aug 29, 2011, 01:00PM »

I did from DJ.....why because he has a great rep, and a great Rep takes a lot of hard work to build and only one bad deal to destroy!!!

And it's a great horn and would do so again...and that's why I recomend DJ!
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« Reply #19 on: Aug 29, 2011, 04:21PM »

Yes, yes, yes.  I bought a great blowing 16M from dj and it was everything he promised.  I also bought a couple of Earl Williams bones from Noah Gladstone (Slipmo) and they were everything he promised.  They were a couple of great horns and I hardly play the others anymore.  For sure, these are a couple of guys who are true to their word.   Good!

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« Reply #20 on: Aug 29, 2011, 04:41PM »

I've purchased (or traded) two trombones from DJ and both times he came thru impeccably. You can't go wrong with him!
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« Reply #21 on: Aug 30, 2011, 03:07AM »

I'll add my recommendations for dj too.  Just took delivery, from halfway around the world and sight unseen, in 6 days, of a 1920's King I needed for a period correct thingy I'm up to. 

Initially it didn't need to be a player but then things changed a little and I needed one that played as well as looked "like new" but still correct for the period.  He came through with an ideal horn that sounds really good too.  The slide, as you might expect, is not perfect, but a little work and it will be perfectly playable - it almost is now.

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« Reply #22 on: Aug 31, 2011, 06:47PM »

I think you will ultimately be disappointed if you don't the see the horn 1st. With today's tech., there is no excuse....



But I have bought without seeing it.... it was Carl Fontana's old horn.   :D
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« Reply #23 on: Aug 31, 2011, 07:38PM »

when lawrie asked  --this meant i had  to dig up possibles  --AND TRY  THEM Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused
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I'll add my recommendations for dj too.  Just took delivery, from halfway around the world and sight unseen, in 6 days, of a 1920's King I needed for a period correct thingy I'm up to. 

Initially it didn't need to be a player but then things changed a little and I needed one that played as well as looked "like new" but still correct for the period.  He came through with an ideal horn that sounds really good too.  The slide, as you might expect, is not perfect, but a little work and it will be perfectly playable - it almost is now.

Thanks dj.
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« Reply #24 on: Aug 31, 2011, 07:57PM »

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 and  our  character  who  plays  trombone  in a ragtime orchestra 
falls in love  with a yellow dress 
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« Reply #25 on: Sep 01, 2011, 04:11PM »

While I can't confirm or deny any of dj's story, I can say that I do happen to be in an opal field as I write - thank goodness for 3G internet access - A place called Lightning Ridge in Northern country NSW...  To be more specific, I'm in a mining camp on "Lunatic Hill" in an area called the "Three Mile".

Think what you will...    Hi Evil Evil Evil :D
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« Reply #26 on: Sep 03, 2011, 09:28AM »

lightningridge  coober pedy  -- famous  for  black opals  !!!!!!!
love opals   opal in matrix --wow  !!!!!!!!



While I can't confirm or deny any of dj's story, I can say that I do happen to be in an opal field as I write - thank goodness for 3G internet access - A place called Lightning Ridge in Northern country NSW...  To be more specific, I'm in a mining camp on "Lunatic Hill" in an area called the "Three Mile".

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« Reply #27 on: Sep 03, 2011, 10:38AM »

To answer the question, Yes. And I still play it...my '56 6H.

It was in a pawn shop in Butte, Montana. A guy I'd met online told me he saw the horn when he dropped in to browse.

The Pawn shop was just about to list it on Ebay. When asked how much they'd sell it to me and forget Ebay, he said $400. Done. I got the horn. He even covered postage. Such a deal!

Technically I saw it (in photos) but I never had a chance to play it until it showed up on my doorstep.

After spending $35 to clean up the slide (Thanks Eric Edwards!), the horn has been my main one ever since. Oh, I paid another $200 to have the slide lightened. GREAT investment!!
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« Reply #28 on: Sep 09, 2011, 04:58PM »

I must admit I learned a great deal from a horn deal two years ago.  I found a particular instrument in The Classifieds, contacted the seller a couple of times, then made the great mistake of hesitating.  I told him I would take the instrument thinking I had a deal; an hour later I learned it was sold to someone on Craiglist.  That made me very angry because I felt a deal was a deal.  BUT, everything worked out as I found a Martin Imperial on ebay that came with a 7 day guarantee; it arrived and within ten minutes it called my house its new home.
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« Reply #29 on: Sep 09, 2011, 08:24PM »

I bought an Olds Super, ca 1938 off the Seattle Craigslist a few years ago, no pics.  The asking price was $150; I e-mailed the seller as soon as I saw the ad, turned out to be the first reply.  (It was a 2 owner horn, the second got it in the 50s, played it in hs, then it sat in his closet all the intervening years.  Great shape, no dents, a v. good player, no slide or bell locks, original coffin case with a water damaged end (the stored bottom), an easy repair.)
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« Reply #30 on: Sep 10, 2011, 04:44AM »

I'm not sure if I would buy one without seeing it. I am a BIG fan of used, but because I am a kid, if the trombone is  to big for me I can't play it. Therefore, I have to see it, but also hold it.
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« Reply #31 on: Sep 12, 2011, 02:08AM »

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« Reply #32 on: Sep 12, 2011, 06:10AM »

It's a gamble. Sometimes you win big. The thing is to lose small.  Don't risk a lot of money if there's not a lot of good photo documentation (unless you know the seller.) I can't count the number of times that a bad picture or no picture at all has left me with something next to worthless or worth less than I paid. The last one was a silver 44H. Nice horn, but no slide handle!! How am I supposed to play it with no slide handle? They were telling the truth when they said "slide works fast and smooth." It was self-aligning!!

The best ever was a wall hanger covered with fabric flowers. You couldn't even see the horn under the junk. Bought it cheap because curiosity got the best of me, cut away the flowers, and found a very tarnished copper bell. It was a 12H from the '50s!
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« Reply #33 on: Sep 12, 2011, 07:59AM »

you always take a chance when you purchase unseen, however, I believe that most people on this forum are very reliable.
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« Reply #34 on: Sep 12, 2011, 02:42PM »

I bought my Yamaha 830 without ever playing or seeing one in person, and it was definitely worth it!
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« Reply #36 on: Sep 19, 2011, 01:10PM »

I don't care who is selling it, unless it's a an absolute steal no matter the shape a picture is the bare minimum. A video is a pretty solid idea as well. Even my lousy computer has a good enough video camera to prove a horn's condition and playability.

Plus, having a picture in an ad helps draw attention to it. I don't know why anyone WOULDN'T have a picture in a for sale ad.
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« Reply #37 on: Sep 19, 2011, 02:12PM »

I would never but a trombone without seeing it or playing it first. If I was a collector I would at least want to see it.Only own two, Reynolds Contempora Bass with a Conn 72H valve and my Getzen 1052R.
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« Reply #38 on: Sep 19, 2011, 02:23PM »

I've bought several, sight unseen - and gotten nice/decent deals.

Last 2 horns I have bought, I had pictures - and weren't great deals.
Horn 1 - I could see the damage, knew it needed some work. But didn't see the red rot in the tubes.
Horn 2 - lacquer was bad, but horn looked ok. Once it arrived, the old lacquer had hid many dents/dings in the pics. And.. it also has some red rot (slide crook, maybe tubes too), and the slide (supposedly was good), needs an alignment pretty badly (maybe new tubes, if the old ones have red rot).

So fact is - you get good deals, and bad deals - no matter if you have pictures or not.
It's a chance ya take. You win some, ya loose some.

BUT.... going to someone with a great reputation (like DJ or Noah), I wouldn't need pictures.
I trust their word/description, and reputation 100%. Good!

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« Reply #39 on: Sep 19, 2011, 02:41PM »

I will say that the last trombone I got from DJ almost two years ago, sight unseen, is now my major horn that I'm playing. I would never hesitate in doing business with him at all.
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« Reply #40 on: Sep 19, 2011, 10:21PM »


BUT.... going to someone with a great reputation (like DJ or Noah), I wouldn't need pictures.
I trust their word/description, and reputation 100%. Good!

T.

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« Reply #41 on: Sep 19, 2011, 10:54PM »

thanks  duster  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    and troy too
 i have gotten scammed   even with pics 
and if i could do pics 
  i could  take pics of a total junk    and make it look  good
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what i dont like  is surprizes     and  sloppy  packing 
sloppy  packing  even from some trombonists 
  i got a  perfect  2b silversonic ---------------wrecked flare  from  end  drop kick
numerous  RATTLERS  -----you can hear the rattler   
mail man  moves box ----RATTLE   RATTLE 
  HA HA  WHATTA  YA GOT DJ   ---BABY  TOYS  ------------HA HA  RATTLE RATTLE
 this means  one or more loose mouthpieces 
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you need to  TELL THE SENDER --HOW TO PACK 
then  some  act  like  -WHAT DO YOU THINK IM  STOOOOPID  ????????
YA  !!!!!!!!!!!!   huge box  6 inches of foam peanuts  around case  /trombone rattle=STOOPID  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I will say that the last trombone I got from DJ almost two years ago, sight unseen, is now my major horn that I'm playing. I would never hesitate in doing business with him at all.
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« Reply #42 on: Sep 20, 2011, 04:45AM »

My bass 'bone came from WW&BW with a crimpled bell very likely because of my requirement for expedited shipping; they took $100 off the price which covered the repair.
The '28 Olds with the original case that I got this summer came with two loose mouthpieces "wrapped" in cleaning cloths which dinged up the bell. 

So as in the first example, even when shippers know what they're doing $^&(# happens. 
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« Reply #43 on: Sep 21, 2011, 07:33PM »

And if ya pay extra, for UPS or FED-X to package it.... well, it cost extra $$$, and you get ZERO interior packing at all.

I've paid nearly $100 extra, on two occasions (where the seller didn't want to ship), just so they could pay UPS and Fed-X to pack it.... and both times - nothing was packed inside the case. The outside case its self was WELL packed and protected.... but the horn inside, was bare. Bad dog.  No Biscuits.

And one would think a shipping company would know how to package something (especially with their prices!). :/

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« Reply #44 on: Sep 21, 2011, 10:50PM »

And one would think a shipping company would know how to package something (especially with their prices!). :/
They probably just took it to the local UPS or FedEx retail establishment. Some of them are good, some aren't.
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« Reply #45 on: Nov 06, 2011, 01:50AM »

In the past 3 months I have bought perhaps 30 mpcs and maybe 7 trombones -  many of those were multiple purchases - component parts of Shires.
And I would have one piece of advice to share.
Be VERY VERY careful when you buy from an overseas seller.
Why - because even with ebay and paypal buyer protection, the purchaser, if outside the US, is responsible for return shipping.
Which means that the vendor can send you whatever they like...or pack things as poorly as they like, and it is up to you, the purchaser, to pay the return postage in order to get your refund.
Of the 20 or so non mouthpiece packages I have received from perhaps 8 vendors, many purchased through this forum, I would describe only three of those vendors as being 100% 'honest' in what they described prior to sale.
And only two of those three took real care to pack things such that there was a 95%+ chance of things arriving undamaged.
Most have been sparing with the truth about what they were selling.
And almost all have packaged things in a way that I would never dream of doing myself.
So, though I (living in Australia) have no option but to buy instruments without having the chance to play them.....I have endured a lot of pain in several of the purchases.
Either because vendors took more than a month to actually dispatch things.
Or because vendors didn't tell the whole truth about and instrument.
Or because the packaging was woeful.
So - indeed - buyer beware!
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« Reply #46 on: Nov 06, 2011, 03:11AM »


And only two of those three took real care to pack things such that there was a 95%+ chance of things arriving undamaged.



I have a question about this.  I understand that Australia is a distant destination for most shippers, but was there actual damage to the items or just the perception that there was a potential for damage?

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« Reply #47 on: Nov 06, 2011, 03:20AM »

Think about this......

The trombone world is a small world.
If you want to maintain a good reputation then do good by your fellow colleagues.
Mess up just once and that mistake will stick with you for a long time!!!

It's not that difficult to pack and ship a horn safely...... Don't ever cut corners!!!

I learnt this working part time in a reputable Brass instrument shop many moons ago.
I was in charge of quality control, packing and shipping!!!
Never had one complaint in 3 years.
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« Reply #48 on: Nov 06, 2011, 03:39AM »



It's not that difficult to pack and ship a horn safely...... Don't ever cut corners!!!


Yes, but there are different ideas of what makes something "safe." Some people only ship in cases, some only ship without cases. Some wrap the horn inside the case, some wrap outside of the case. Most reputable shippers stick with what has always worked best for them. I'm certain that some cut corners. However, I'm also certain that there are gray areas regarding when a corner has actually been cut.
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« Reply #49 on: Nov 06, 2011, 04:17AM »

There is "Safe" and "Unsafe" YMMV
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« Reply #50 on: Nov 06, 2011, 04:23AM »

There is "Safe" and "Unsafe" YMMV


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« Reply #51 on: Nov 06, 2011, 04:28AM »


OVERSIMPLIFIED

Quite!!!...... And Quiet, no need to shout......  :-P
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« Reply #52 on: Nov 06, 2011, 04:56PM »

I have a question about this.  I understand that Australia is a distant destination for most shippers, but was there actual damage to the items or just the perception that there was a potential for damage?


Real damage and potential damage.
One trombone shipped in a case that has been known to cause damage due to poor design. Creased the bell.
One Marcus Bonna Case cut 1/3 of its length by the sender during packing
One trombone shipped in a case where the mpc was loose and flew around denting the bell

One bell with next to no bubble wrap on (fortunately the box didn't take a heavy hit - which I estimate from looking at the boxes about half of them do)
One pbone wrapped in one layer of bubble wrap and paper - testament to how tough the pbones are!
Etc


I now send all vendors (other than the two I really trust) a slide box from the slide doctor.
And clear instructions as to how to pack a bell.
I ask that no-one sends a complete instrument in a case.
And I insist on insurance.
It adds about $150 to the cost of shipping - but minimises the chance of sender error.

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« Reply #53 on: Nov 08, 2011, 04:37AM »

And in the latest couple of packages - a slide that I had paid to be shipped in a slide dr box...arrives with a dent just down from the mpc.
Really easy to see. Really easy to feel.
The vendor just chose not to mention it.
(Plus the leadpipe is completely jammed into the slide...not a major issue (assuming a pro can shift it) - but it would be nice if the vendor was upfront about this stuff.
I tell you....this has been a real lesson for me.
I presumed that musos wouldn't rip off musos.
But alas - it seems this isn't true.
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« Reply #54 on: Nov 09, 2011, 12:05PM »

I just received the S.E. Shires .547 tenor trombone that was being sold by forum member "Joel Felberg".

Barring one small issue that I trust Mr. Felberg will take care of promptly and in good faith, it arrived well-packed, in good time, and perfectly in the condition described.

I would do business with him again.
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« Reply #55 on: Nov 09, 2011, 12:23PM »

One Marcus Bonna Case cut 1/3 of its length by the sender during packing

A third of the case was chopped off!?
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« Reply #56 on: Nov 09, 2011, 12:46PM »


A third of the case was chopped off!?

I was confused by that too. I rather assume he means that there was a gash in the nylon/cloth/leather whatever it is covering.
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« Reply #57 on: Nov 10, 2011, 08:36AM »

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« Reply #58 on: Dec 07, 2011, 08:01AM »

I have bought sight unseen before.  I picked up a Holton Super Collegiate Cornet a couple months ago for $55.  Came with a couple mpc's, one of which was an old 10.5 C Vincent Bach, Vernon, NY.  Seemed like a decent deal.
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« Reply #60 on: Dec 12, 2011, 07:00PM »

I was confused by that too. I rather assume he means that there was a gash in the nylon/cloth/leather whatever it is covering.

Not quite. It was completely my fault. I had to make sure the case was under.... 79" total inches I think, so I cut a piece of cardboard to fit the case, but I wasn't careful with the razor and cut the cases nylon cover on one of the dimensions. Honestly, I could've sworn I did the cutting with the case separate from the cardboard, but the damage has to have been caused by me since they didn't open it in customs.

We worked something out.  Hope the MB case is treating you well, Peter.  I'm really sorry about that.
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« Reply #61 on: Dec 30, 2011, 04:46PM »

Unless it's someone that I trust, pictures, with a time-stamp, or else it doesn't exist.  Then before I would do anything involving money or transfer of money, I would try and see if I could play the horn.  But if it's someone I don't know, pics or it's not real.
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« Reply #62 on: Jan 01, 2012, 12:25PM »

I bought my Bach 50 with Greenhoe valves without trying. It was all the way in Mexico and I've never saw a Greenhoe bass at that point. I love the sound of a Bach 50, our school had 3 and they sound great- just stuffy valves for me. So I figured Bach 50 + more open valves + really low price + brand new slide + sexy = dayum man just get the horn.

  So I got it. I use it to this day. It's a great horn but it plays COMPLETELY different than your ordinary Bach 50. It took a while to adjust and after getting a Kanstul copy of the Holton 169 it plays to my liking.


  If its a fancy brand like Rath, Edwards, Shires, Greenhoe you can expect it to always play well but it might not be to your liking. I always think its kinda weird when someone has some boutique horn and they say they hate the way it plays, most often those are the folks who haven't tried them before they played it. At the same time at the ITF at Finland, my professor tried for a Rath for the first time and fell in love with it. As soon as he went back to the states he ordered one but he always says it was never as good as the one he tried across the ocean.
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« Reply #63 on: Jan 01, 2012, 04:12PM »

without seeing? definitely no. Without playing? maybe.
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« Reply #64 on: Jan 02, 2012, 03:12PM »

Sure, I got three of my Earl Williams trombones that way.   Good!   :)

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« Reply #65 on: Jan 24, 2012, 03:21PM »

I just got a trombone from Noah (Slipmo) and it looks so much better in real life than in the photos. The work Brad Close did on the linkages and cleaning it up made it look almost like a new horn. I'd be more than happy to buy a horn from Noah again with no photo, as his descriptions and reviews are always honest and he spends time playing them to give you the best review possible.
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« Reply #66 on: Jan 24, 2012, 05:33PM »

Been there, done that....
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« Reply #67 on: Feb 23, 2012, 03:03AM »

waiting for a  42b in the  14,000s    -bought sight unseen !!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #68 on: Feb 23, 2012, 03:43AM »

waiting for a  42b in the  14,000s    -bought sight unseen !!!!!!!!!

DJ, if you bought a horn that was a basket case sight unseen you could still find another one to play amongst your collection while you put the thing in for rehab.

If I were a kid looking to upgrade from his student horn it's quite a different matter.  And even worse if I lived 300 miles from any decent music store.  If I buy something sight unseen and it's bad I'm totally out of luck!
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« Reply #69 on: Feb 23, 2012, 09:01PM »

yeah  and i got  aaron  and  dan  waiting on the  rehabs  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bass bones go to benn 
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DJ, if you bought a horn that was a basket case sight unseen you could still find another one to play amongst your collection while you put the thing in for rehab.

If I were a kid looking to upgrade from his student horn it's quite a different matter.  And even worse if I lived 300 miles from any decent music store.  If I buy something sight unseen and it's bad I'm totally out of luck!
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« Reply #70 on: Feb 26, 2012, 10:17AM »

I think everyone summed up my thoughts.  I've done this numerous times because of my buying/selling addiction:

1) If from reputable seller that you've had experience with.
2) If not, it's not a horn that I'm buying to be my main horn.
3) It has to be a bargain (duh), and I need some kind of knowledge that it's the right model described!

I'd rather play it blindfolded than ever see it, though.  I've known some real uglies that shine, and some great looking horns that were gold-plated dogs.

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« Reply #71 on: Mar 07, 2012, 11:56PM »

If it is a newer model, specified as I want it, I think I would go for it. I did buy a used Bach 36 a few years ago. It arrived with some problems not described in the ebay add, so I got the seller to transfer some money back to cover the repair. He preferred that rather than have the trombone returned, and I got the horn I wanted.

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« Reply #72 on: Apr 29, 2012, 01:22PM »

Without seeing it, no.
Without playing it, yes.

I have recently bought a Vocabell and a The Dude off ebay, and had them shipped to the slide doctor for a tune up before shipping to me (in Europe).

Obviously, I had no control over the packaging before they reached the slide doctor. But the slide doctor packaged brilliantly as always, and both horns arrived in good condition.
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« Reply #73 on: Jul 29, 2012, 01:36PM »

I did . I bought a Besson Sovereign B/F with a Hagemann valve several years ago
off ebay and it was like new and played beautifully. The case had a scratch though.  I also
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« Reply #74 on: Jul 30, 2012, 12:04PM »

For me depends on the price. Then depends on if I'm in the market for a horn of that model or one similar.
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« Reply #75 on: Jul 30, 2012, 12:37PM »

I've purchased all my horns from Horn Guys without seeing or playing them. I've bought a couple of used ones, as well, from them that exceeded my expectations. The Guys are good at what they do and I trust them implicitly. Good!

Most of the vendors will stand by what they put out there to sell...

If you're looking to try out different horns, a trip to the store would be in order. Doing that via mail order would be ludicrous.
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« Reply #76 on: Jul 31, 2012, 06:41PM »

I would buy a 36B if I had pictures... And if i could find one
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« Reply #77 on: Aug 02, 2012, 01:41PM »

One aspect of the problem is the quality of the photographs.  I'm much more skilled in photography than as a trombonist, but I have made a number of purchases from eBay and Craigslist (I donate horns to schools) and have made the following observations: (1) trombones are difficult to photograph well due to configuration. (2)flash on camera usually causes highlight reflections off shiny slides, leaving everything else too dark; (3) too few sellers pay attention to background color and distractions. It is best to use a neutral medium-light background, not dark and not white to avoid influencing in-camera meters, and the surroundings should be simple. Draping a medium color blanket from a stand may work. I just bought a silver Olds horn which was photographed against a red cloth, making it look like a rose copper brass; I realized this,of course and wanted the horn anyway. (4)focus, focus, focus, and use a tripod.  Do NOT snatch a quick one with your smart phone. (5)I think diffuse mid-day available light is better than flash, and if the latter, use a diffuser or bounce flash.(6) Take one or two images of the whole assembled horn, details of any damage or problems, and closeups of the bell engraving in vertical format, the slide crook, water key, and valves. A closeup of the serial number is nice. One or two images of the case is fine unless there is a specific issue. (6) If you know how to do this with your digital camera, match your white balance setting for the lighting; (7) and for eBay, don't bother with photos of slide lube, music lyre, lesson books, etc.  Nobody cares; put them in the text.

And while I'm discoursing on eBay matters, I must mention my distress at the general illiteracy and sloppiness in writing of too many vendors.
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« Reply #78 on: Aug 04, 2012, 12:08AM »

Never. I have learned instruments can be pretty deceiving. I saw a really nice Bach 42 with a thayer, and when I played it, it felt horrible. If you are buying an instrument where the company is far away from where you live and you don't want to travel far, then find someone who has that instrument. I wanted to buy an s.e. shires alto but I didn't want to travel to Massachusetts to try one out and buy it. So I found out one of my friends had one and so I tried it out, loved it, and then decided to purchase one. I suggest ALWAYS trying out an instrument before you buy one. That is just my advise. 
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« Reply #79 on: Aug 04, 2012, 02:54AM »

Absolutely.  I just always know that I might have to drop a few bucks to have someone reassemble the horn.  Even the maker of the parts doesn't matter a whole lot in my opinion, as long as the stuff is assembled right.  I just picked up a franken-slide .547/.562 made of like, yamaha and shilke parts with a Shires receiver.  All "B" grade parts.  Plays way better than my 50 slide for me.

My 42 I got after trying, but it was a straight horn.  Purchased a Shires rotor and had that mounted.  Did not try it before hand, very pleased with the results.

My 50 I also purchased blind (price was right!), I sank a few hundred into it to get it to have the right ergonomics and have the parts function right.  Still got a good deal on it. I'd rather buy used and take the money and have a tech do it right/customize it for me.  I'll probably put a pair of Thayers on it and still come out ahead.

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« Reply #80 on: Aug 13, 2012, 07:16AM »

I've purchased all my horns from Horn Guys without seeing or playing them. I've bought a couple of used ones, as well, from them that exceeded my expectations. The Guys are good at what they do and I trust them implicitly. Good!

Ditto for Sandy!  I bought my most expensive instrument, a pristine Conn 62HI from Sandy; she did provide pictures and it truly exceeded my expectations.

When looking for a horn, I always look first for long-standing forum members as potential sellers (right DJ?), especially those that are active players or have a university position in a music department and also have a long history of valuable posts to the forum.  Reviewing forum posts is a good indicator for me of someone I can be comfortable with to do business with via the internet with low risk.  You can learn a lot about a person from their history of posts on this forum!!

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« Reply #81 on: Aug 14, 2012, 12:04PM »

I bought both of my bass trombones from pictures, one from Rayburn in Boston and one from Olathe Band Instruments in Kansas.  Both were in very good condition and I am happy with them.  I think you have to know whether the dealer is reliable; I spoke with both dealers at length before I made a decision to buy.
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« Reply #82 on: Sep 10, 2012, 09:31PM »

I'm not sure if I would buy one without seeing it. I am a BIG fan of used, but because I am a kid, if the trombone is  to big for me I can't play it. Therefore, I have to see it, but also hold it.

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You play a 42: the 42 is about as big a trombone as there is.  The slide spacing is the same as the spacing on a big bass.  If you can hold the 42 you can hold about anything out there.  The bigger question is, "Do I want to hold this thing?"
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« Reply #83 on: Oct 24, 2012, 06:41PM »

Just bought a Yamaha YSL 548 GAL on eBay for 500. We'll  see how this works out.
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« Reply #84 on: Dec 02, 2012, 05:30PM »

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 whats it  say on bell  ???????????????
          Yeah, RIGHT. Yeah, RIGHT. Yeah, RIGHT.
well  the mouthpiece  says   12 
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« Reply #85 on: Dec 05, 2012, 03:36PM »

I just did and it will be the last time. Bought a Blessing B78 on ebay. Paid on the high side of what they are worth used because it was advertised as "Mint" condition. Get the horn today and there are several dents in it plus lacquer wear and scratching. The part where the string attaches to the rotor is broke, the slide is noisy and slow but will probably be ok with a chem clean. Took it to a tech today and he thought he could whip it into shape for $100 including chem clean. Messaged the seller and haven't heard back yet (big surprise)Hopefully I will get a decent playable horn out of it when it's all over and done with. On top of that I put my Olds Super Star up for sale to finance the Blessing and right now I'm not so sure that the Olds isn't the better horn of the two.
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« Reply #86 on: Dec 13, 2012, 07:57PM »

I bought my bass, a Holton TR-181 from DJ without pics. It was because he has a good rep. So yes I would.
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« Reply #87 on: Dec 13, 2012, 09:40PM »

From DJ, yes! And Hornguys too..
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« Reply #88 on: Dec 16, 2012, 04:46PM »

if i could  do pics easily i would 
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« Reply #89 on: Jan 01, 2013, 04:44PM »

Yes.  I've been 100% so far and have made out fine even after replacing beat tuning crooks and pro slide jobs...

Don't spend more money that you can afford to lose on a used horn from an unknown source, however. 
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« Reply #90 on: Feb 05, 2013, 01:20PM »

Well, yes. I've bought a couple from DJ sight-unseen, but the one I'm really proud of was from just a couple of weeks ago ...

Phone rang, and a trumpet-playing friend said, "I'm in an antique store in <nearby town> and there's a trombone that says "Stradivarius Model 8" and "New York USA" on the bell. Is it worth buying? (He mentioned a rather low price.)

"Does it have any dents?"

"No."

"Just buy it, I said, "and if you don't want it, I'll buy it from you."

Long story short, I'm now the happy owner of a N.Y. Bach 8 bought sight-unseen. An hour's work on the slide, which wouldn't fall from its own weight, and it's now like brand-new -- no visible wear on the stockings, even. Sometimes the magic works.

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« Reply #91 on: Feb 05, 2013, 01:34PM »

8  8   8  8   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





Well, yes. I've bought a couple from DJ sight-unseen, but the one I'm really proud of was from just a couple of weeks ago ...

Phone rang, and a trumpet-playing friend said, "I'm in an antique store in <nearby town> and there's a trombone that says "Stradivarius Model 8" and "New York USA" on the bell. Is it worth buying? (He mentioned a rather low price.)

"Does it have any dents?"

"No."

"Just buy it, I said, "and if you don't want it, I'll buy it from you."

Long story short, I'm now the happy owner of a N.Y. Bach 8 bought sight-unseen. An hour's work on the slide, which wouldn't fall from its own weight, and it's now like brand-new -- no visible wear on the stockings, even. Sometimes the magic works.


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« Reply #92 on: Feb 10, 2013, 10:28PM »

As long as it's sold on TTF I'd trust the seller. Other than that absolutely not
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« Reply #93 on: Jun 28, 2013, 05:05AM »

Never!

See and above all try out is a MUST.
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« Reply #94 on: Jun 28, 2013, 05:23AM »

As long as it's sold on TTF I'd trust the seller. Other than that absolutely not

Bought my Bach 50B3 from a TTF member and my Olds P-24 G from a reputable dealer,  without trying them out and am very happy with both.  That said, if you can't try out the horn, make sure you can return it if you are unsatisfied.
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« Reply #95 on: Jun 28, 2013, 09:11AM »

I've only played one trombone before I bought it.

Just got another, sight unseen- can't wait!
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« Reply #96 on: Jun 28, 2013, 09:41AM »

I enjoy buying instruments with nothing but a vague description and a couple out-of-focus cellphone cam shots to go by.  Most buyers get scared off and you can get some great deals.  Just yesterday a beautiful gold-plated 1920's Olds trombone showed up at my door in near-perfect condition, for a cost of next to nothing.  Of course often those out of focus shots are masking some serious flaws, so give them a good long stare!

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« Reply #97 on: Jun 28, 2013, 09:44AM »

One aspect of the problem is the quality of the photographs.  I'm much more skilled in photography than as a trombonist, but I have made a number of purchases from eBay and Craigslist (I donate horns to schools) and have made the following observations: (1) trombones are difficult to photograph well due to configuration. (2)flash on camera usually causes highlight reflections off shiny slides, leaving everything else too dark; (3) too few sellers pay attention to background color and distractions. It is best to use a neutral medium-light background, not dark and not white to avoid influencing in-camera meters, and the surroundings should be simple. Draping a medium color blanket from a stand may work. I just bought a silver Olds horn which was photographed against a red cloth, making it look like a rose copper brass; I realized this,of course and wanted the horn anyway. (4)focus, focus, focus, and use a tripod.  Do NOT snatch a quick one with your smart phone. (5)I think diffuse mid-day available light is better than flash, and if the latter, use a diffuser or bounce flash.(6) Take one or two images of the whole assembled horn, details of any damage or problems, and closeups of the bell engraving in vertical format, the slide crook, water key, and valves. A closeup of the serial number is nice. One or two images of the case is fine unless there is a specific issue. (6) If you know how to do this with your digital camera, match your white balance setting for the lighting; (7) and for eBay, don't bother with photos of slide lube, music lyre, lesson books, etc.  Nobody cares; put them in the text.

And while I'm discoursing on eBay matters, I must mention my distress at the general illiteracy and sloppiness in writing of too many vendors.


 Clever This is a Post Deserving Wider Recognition.  Clever Might be good to break it out into a "how to photograph your horn for sale" thread. All great advice, with the one possible exception of posting the serial number of the horn. I know I have struggled to get a decent image, usually on first attempt the flash totally obliterates all detail or the most minor dents or crinkles end up looking like catastrophic damage. The lighting can be a bit tricky to pin down, but worth it for the end result. And I can't count the number of blurry, illegible photos I've seen while browsing eBay. Doesn't instill any confidence in the seller. My reaction is always, "NEXT!" Good!
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« Reply #98 on: Jun 28, 2013, 03:55PM »

I know I have struggled to get a decent image, usually on first attempt the flash totally obliterates all detail or the most minor dents or crinkles end up looking like catastrophic damage. The lighting can be a bit tricky to pin down, but worth it for the end result.
1) Shoot your photos outdoors, either on an overcast day or at dusk or dawn. If you can see shadows, the lighting is too harsh.

2) Use a real camera (not a cell phone or tablet); preferably one with a macro setting.

3) Shoot the images square on, not at an angle. Sure, angle shots show more of the horn, but they're distorted.

4) Don't use a wide-angle lens, or the wide end of a zoom lens. If you want more in the picture, take a step or two back (remember rule 1; we're shooting these pictures outdoors, so there should be plenty of room).

5) Learn how to work with your camera's autofocus so you can get the horn sharp instead of the background.

6) As mentioned earlier, use a neutral background. Too light, too dark, too vivid, or too busy are all bad.
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« Reply #99 on: Jul 01, 2013, 07:58PM »

Jules, Enjoy your safe life!!!I am sorry with your attitude you will miss out on a lot of life's adventure....it's only money, but the incredible trombone finds are so worth it!!!!
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« Reply #100 on: Aug 13, 2013, 12:12AM »

i think that also important is to write why you are selling this himorn. like - i dropped my trombone, so i'm selling it.

honest is a must.
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« Reply #101 on: Aug 19, 2013, 02:18PM »

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« Reply #102 on: Aug 23, 2013, 01:25PM »

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« Reply #103 on: Aug 23, 2013, 01:34PM »

i think that also important is to write why you are selling this himorn. like - i dropped my trombone, so i'm selling it.

honest is a must.

There is an old slogan usually presented in Latin: caveat emptor (let the Buyer beware).

You have no way to determine if somebody is being truthful.  I could tell you that my trombone was personally given to me by Tommy Dorsey and you have no way to verify that it's true (it isn't).

We have a few people here who have been honest about their wares.  I wouldn't hesitate to buy a horn unseen from DJ Kennedy or Quinn the Eskimo.  But you have to have some kind of track record.
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« Reply #104 on: Sep 14, 2013, 01:48AM »

Hi all, great topic. I recently bought a Schuster large bore Bb/F from Doug Bert in St Louis and had it shipped to me in Australia. I had been looking on the net for a while and found that both the Brass Exchange and Brass Ark gave good descriptions of the good and bad things on any horns they have for sale. And lots of photos of the good and bad bits. After corresponding with Doug, I had no qualms about such a purchase. The day it arrived, I went straight to big band practise and blew 4th 'bone for 2 1/2 hours without a problem. The horn was all Doug described. It is unfortunate that the used market in Aus is so small that it was easier getting a horn from the US. So do some research and go for it!
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« Reply #105 on: Oct 21, 2013, 02:14PM »

Would I buy a trombone unseen - yes, I just did. Key is to gather all information available about it, to phone the seller and have along talk to her/him to be able to access the value of the instrument and it's pros and cons. Preferably to hear a third party about the instrument as well. Earlier I bought a Yamaha YSL-356G unseen, which was perfect but for a tiny dent in the slide which was easily fixed. Now I bought a Jinbao  YBSL-831S unseen. But not blindly! See http://tromboneforum.org/index.php/topic,73120.0.html
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« Reply #106 on: Oct 21, 2013, 04:14PM »

I have purchased a King 5B Symphony from Doug Bert.  He will not steer you wrong and you can trust his assesments of horn conditions! Good!
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« Reply #107 on: Oct 27, 2013, 03:39PM »

i bought a 6h WITH pics  described  as having  typical conn plating  :) :) :) :) :)
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« Reply #108 on: Oct 28, 2013, 09:46PM »

Just another vote of confidence here for DJ.

I bought a King Tempo 1305 from him, and it arrived about a week or so ago.
It's condition is exactly as he described, and he packaged it for shipping really well (which is just as well becuase it got 'plonked' pretty hard on the ground by the courier as I signed for it).

Anyways, yeah. Just saying that I would not hesitate to buy from DJ again  :)
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« Reply #109 on: Nov 04, 2013, 02:50PM »

Once I bought a baritone from Trade Me (NZ's ebay-facsimile), and when the package arrived I discovered that I had just bought my first tenor horn.  :-0 
(got it dirt cheap and it wasn't worth the postage to return it to the sender)

What I don't understand is the number of ads I've seen where
1) the sellers write "played it for xx years", so obviously they're in the music game, not rank outsiders, and then
2) the ad says Jupiter, or Bach, or Yamaha trombone, but doesn't have the model number - you would think that a player would be interested in making their ad successful and that they would know that other players might want a particular model  Confused


Loved DJ's note about the Bach '12', as determined by the mouthpiece 
probably seller was a guppy, but may have been a shark like the guy selling $1200 horns for $3000+
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« Reply #110 on: Nov 16, 2013, 02:04PM »

Yup - but you gotta know or trust who you are buying from...
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« Reply #111 on: Nov 16, 2013, 02:31PM »

Yup - but you gotta know or trust who you are buying from...
Another vote for Noah Gladstone!
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« Reply #112 on: Nov 16, 2013, 02:54PM »

I have purchased horns from 4 different members based only on pics.  They were as I expected.  My ebay experience as good (from a forum member and did not realize it) and several were typical to ebay.
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i  buy///trade  w/o  pics   all the time 
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  well  the inners   had been polished
 DISGUISING   THE ROTTEN    DASTARDLY  DEED 
YES DREADED  PLATING  CRUST   Amazed Amazed Amazed Amazed Amazed Eeek! Eeek! Eeek! Eeek! Eeek! Eeek!
  PLATING FAILURE !!!!!!!!!!
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this  trombone was returned   --cheaper than retube/time /expense 
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  PICS CAN NEVER  RELAY  THE  ODIFEROUS  STENCH  OF  BURIED BRASS


Looking through the classifieds for the first time I was suprised by the high percentage of entries without attached photographs. This puzzled me as I would certainly not buy an instrument without a least seeing a photo first. anyone out there who would?? and why??
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« Reply #114 on: Dec 10, 2013, 12:12AM »

Seeing a instrument with no trying it al all doesn't make you know it in my opinion. The ideal situation would be to try it... but as this is not possible most of time with used gear I feel that you have to trust the seller and if no, there is not any picture that can help you...
However pics are always aditional info to what seller says... and some horn-porn can't hurt...
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« Reply #116 on: Dec 10, 2013, 12:53PM »

Greetings.  I've had great luck on Ebay.  If you know what to ask, you know what to listen for.  I often contact the seller to probe for details that an average shopper may otherwise miss.  If the seller sounds knowledgeable, than all the better.  I also look for offerings sold by pros.  They are very(usually) meticulous about the condition of their instruments.  I've purchased a 4B SilverSonorous and a lovely 6B.  Both in pristine shape and at reasonable cost.  Its all about the "hunt", which can be kinda fun, too.         
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« Reply #117 on: Dec 10, 2013, 01:35PM »

>>Playboy for pictures...

They have trombones now??? Count me in!

If you want those kind of pictures, look at silver3B's "trombone stands". Pant
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« Reply #118 on: Dec 23, 2013, 05:48AM »

I got a horn from DJ and from informarion heard, he is amazing so thank you DJ!!  Hi
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« Reply #119 on: Feb 18, 2014, 07:44AM »

I've now bought two trombones off of E-bay sight unseen, and have been happy with both purchases.  The key is to look for sellers with positive feedback, who post realistic descriptions, with good pictures showing the good and bad points of the horn.  I also look for sellers who are willing to take the horn back if I'm not satisfied (although I realize I'll need to pay the return shipping should this happen).  It is getting very difficult to find horns locally, most music stores in this area don't deal with used instruments anymore, and they don't stock anything but the cheapest student models.  I've watched craigslist waiting for local horns that are what I'm looking to buy come up, and I'm just not that patient.  The only other option would be to drive 6 hours each way to NY City to test horns.  I might as well take my chances buying what I want off of E-bay on another on-line retailer and risk the possibility of having to pay return shipping than have to spend 12 hours in a car to try out a horn I may or may not buy.   
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« Reply #120 on: Feb 18, 2014, 02:05PM »

I have purchased a number of instruments/parts from forum members.  All those transactions went very well.

Buying from eBay was not as good, but I never got really burned on anything.
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« Reply #121 on: May 18, 2014, 09:35AM »

nubie flea market  freedy       hasnt read  this thread yet
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« Reply #122 on: May 18, 2014, 06:34PM »

Yes.  I have done it many times, and it usually worked out alright.
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« Reply #123 on: May 19, 2014, 01:12PM »

another attempt     got a  kodak ez  share    almost like the 8th grade girl  that  made it look so  ez
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« Reply #124 on: May 19, 2014, 02:53PM »

another attempt     got a  kodak ez  share    almost like the 8th grade girl  that  made it look so  ez
  over here --so i get the camera  --icon --nothin   
hours of   frustration 
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Interesting.  I have a Kodak EZ Share 7 Megapixel (712? 710?).  Reminded me of my old SLR.  Lotsa features but lousy battery life.

Plugged it into my Windoze XP computer through the USB port and it offered to download all the pictures into a folder (not Canon).  Works great except that the pictures in native format are not allowed into my TTF gallery; I have to convert them to JPGs and reduce the pixel resolution.  Haven't had an opportunity to plug it into my Windoze 7 machine yet.
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« Reply #125 on: May 20, 2014, 02:08AM »

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Interesting.  I have a Kodak EZ Share 7 Megapixel (712? 710?).  Reminded me of my old SLR.  Lotsa features but lousy battery life.

Plugged it into my Windoze XP computer through the USB port and it offered to download all the pictures into a folder (not Canon).  Works great except that the pictures in native format are not allowed into my TTF gallery; I have to convert them to JPGs and reduce the pixel resolution.  Haven't had an opportunity to plug it into my Windoze 7 machine yet.
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« Reply #126 on: Jun 15, 2014, 06:03AM »

We did buy a Yamaha Xeno. Without seeing it or trying from a very respected seller on here. It worked out very well. My son has been playing it for two years and everything is great. It did arrive with a gouge on the bell that I wasn't expecting. (Must have happened in shipping)But it looks almost exactly like his friends' and we paid about half the price. It plays perfectly. We were able to get it fixed for $100.00 and it looked about 97-98% new. It worked out well for us. But if you are burned you would feel dumb for a long time. I guess I would say buy from someone with a good reputation.
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« Reply #127 on: Nov 09, 2014, 07:15AM »

Probably not. I'm very particular on my horns so unless it was the right one from the right person, I just don't think I would.
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« Reply #128 on: Nov 09, 2014, 03:01PM »

I have bought 4 bass trombones without trying them first. 1 from a forum member, 3 from reputable dealers. Haven't had any problems but I ask a lot of questions before buying.  Stores usually charge considerably more, and individuals are often far away.  You do take a chance but if you have good intuition and trust the person you are dealing with, you are probably OK.
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« Reply #129 on: Nov 09, 2014, 07:38PM »

i do it all the time  !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #130 on: Nov 14, 2014, 03:44AM »

Yes.  I have often done so, but not without talking to the seller -- sometimes more than once. 

I have bought a few pieces of scrap metal over the years, but I have also  bought several fabulous pro horns for peanuts sight unseen.

I put more stock in a conversation with the seller than in a blurry image anyway.   I find it easy to discern the likelihood of a happy transaction by talking to the seller and asking several questions about the horns condition and lineage.  When I look back on the bad buys there was always a subconscious red flag hovering over the conversation. The trick for me is to learn to trust my instincts about the seller.

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« Reply #131 on: Oct 30, 2015, 02:45PM »

I have bought three horns without seeing or playing them.  I have however at least seen pictures.  The first one was a Pbone which I re-sold for what I paid for it quite quickly.  The second was a Yamaha YSL-354 so I could have an identical horn at the cottage which is water access only. It was actually newer than my first, ex-rental Yamaha

The third was a Conn 4H bell and Yamaha slide combo.  The Conn bell is super light!  It makes the Yamaha slide feel quite heavy.  I`m finding this a difficult horn to get a consistent, mellow sound from, compare to the Yamaha.  Hopefully as I improve, I`ll grow into it.

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« Reply #132 on: Oct 30, 2015, 09:37PM »

Lee,
If you bought that trombone(Conn 4H bell with a Yamaha slide) from Dillon's I know of its origins.  PM if this is true.
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« Reply #133 on: Oct 16, 2016, 04:57AM »

I bought all my trombones on eBay without looking at them in-person beforehand (I obviously looked at the photos).  They are all great trombones, and were totally worth it.  :D
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« Reply #134 on: Oct 20, 2016, 08:08AM »

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« Reply #135 on: Oct 20, 2016, 08:24AM »

I bought all my trombones on eBay without looking at them in-person beforehand (I obviously looked at the photos).  They are all great trombones, and were totally worth it.  :D

Same here.  I've bought four trombones and a trumpet on eBay and have had no complaints about any of them.
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« Reply #136 on: Nov 17, 2016, 10:15AM »

I've had mixed experiences with buying sight-unseen. I bought a Conn 88H for a good price off of ebay and I've had a great time playing it. I also picked up a 1911 York & Sons trombone that happened to have a hole in the inner slide, so that was a bit of a heart breaker.
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« Reply #137 on: Dec 04, 2016, 07:36AM »

No, no, no, please no, do not buy an instrument without seeing it.

If you know the seller and they are trustworthy, buy at your own risk, but if you don't, don't take any chances. I bought a saxophone that I hadn't seen about one or two years back and it turned out to have this part of it that controls the octave it plays broken, and now I'm playing the trombone, so...  Don't know
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« Reply #138 on: Dec 04, 2016, 07:56AM »

and now I'm playing the trombone, so...  Don't know

So your story has a happy ending!!!!   Good!
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« Reply #139 on: Dec 06, 2016, 08:52AM »

Depends on the brand
I'd probably buy one from Yamaha because they are consistent
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« Reply #140 on: Dec 06, 2016, 09:06AM »

ALL of my horns to date have been bought sight-unseen. The ones I didn't like got re-sold. As long as I don't pay too much for them in the first place, so what?

But something I have learned - at least from buying off eBay - is if no one else with a credible buying history is bidding on it, then whether it's over-priced or not; whether it's a good horn or not, there evidently isn't a good resale value for that horn, so I won't bid on it either. I like buying horns where there is a good amount of incremental bidding activity and other auctions of similar horns in similar condition have shown the current bidding is a good comp.

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« Reply #141 on: Dec 06, 2016, 10:01AM »

If you frequent the forum enough you grow to "know" certain people.  I have purchased several horns off the forum, and have sold a few.  My best purchase... sight unseen... a Rath R3 in MINT condition!  It is my favorite horn that I own... and I got it for $1500!!! I am a believer in the forum classifieds!
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« Reply #142 on: Dec 06, 2016, 01:24PM »

This is why people like to deal with stores like Dillon Music, Ferguson Music, Baltimore Brass, the Brass Ark, etc, as well as private individuals like DJ Kennedy, Quinn the Eskimo, and so forth. They have a good reputation, and if they say it's a good horn, you can expect to receive a good horn. You also will get some good reviews on new horns from Ferguson Music, which is always a plus.
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« Reply #143 on: Dec 07, 2016, 02:07AM »

Guys in Latvia risk and buy all of the horns unseen. And that was worth the risk! They sound awesome!
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dillon's  pics are nothin to brag about   :-0 :-0 :-0 Yeah, RIGHT. Yeah, RIGHT. Yeah, RIGHT. :-P :-P :-P Pant Pant Pant


This is why people like to deal with stores like Dillon Music, Ferguson Music, Baltimore Brass, the Brass Ark, etc, as well as private individuals like DJ Kennedy, Quinn the Eskimo, and so forth. They have a good reputation, and if they say it's a good horn, you can expect to receive a good horn. You also will get some good reviews on new horns from Ferguson Music, which is always a plus.
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« Reply #145 on: Dec 09, 2016, 06:21AM »

dillon's  pics are nothin to brag about   :-0 :-0 :-0 Yeah, RIGHT. Yeah, RIGHT. Yeah, RIGHT. :-P :-P :-P Pant Pant Pant
Agreed.  Click on "View larger image" and you often get a smaller image.  At the best of times their largest images are useless for making a buying decision.
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« Reply #146 on: Dec 14, 2016, 04:24PM »

So your story has a happy ending!!!!   Good!

Haha yes, you are right about that! I like the trombone much better than the sax, and I'm glad I ended up with it in the end.  :D
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« Reply #147 on: Dec 16, 2016, 11:52AM »

Wow, I started this thread in 2011. Never expected it to be still running at the end of 2016!
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« Reply #148 on: Jan 26, 2017, 01:41PM »

I have purchased 4 horns from Mick Rath, an R-10 during a visit to his shop, an unseen R3F from a dealer in Calgary, an unseen R4 from a dealer in Boston MA, and an R9D from Dillon music in New Jersey.  I still have them all and use them when appropriate, but favor my bass trombone now.  I would continue to risk a Rath purchase but only from Mick or from Dillon's.
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« Reply #149 on: Mar 25, 2017, 11:08AM »

Only once and only because of the rarity of the instrument did I make a deal for something I could not try out first. Each and every other instrument I have ever purchased has been after extensive play testing and visual inspection, even with brand spankin' new horns. Not everything I've played suited me so in my case it pays off in the long run to be picky. Plus, the only horn I got sight unseen was a trade so when the trade took place in my home, we both had an opportunity to back out of the trade. A couple of months ago I found an instrument on Craigslist that had photos which told part of the story. When I met the seller to complete the sale I still had a chance to look it over. If it had been a case of the seller being out of state and shipping to me, I would not have bothered.

Bottom line is I would not under normal circumstances buy without seeing. The exception would be from musicians I know personally or by reputation that are as picky as I am. Still no guarantee.
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« Reply #150 on: Mar 25, 2017, 11:15AM »

I just bought a new (to me) trombone form some photos and a description and it has turned out to have been a deal I'm really happy with.
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« Reply #151 on: Mar 25, 2017, 02:34PM »

Bought a 3B-F off eBay a few years ago for a really good price.  Seller had 0 feedback so it was a gamble.  He did his best describing the horn and sent extra pictures I asked for. Very few bids, and so I got a great horn for a great price.  $50 at the local music store for minor slide adjustments is all it needed.
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« Reply #152 on: Apr 27, 2017, 11:05PM »

Yeah, I agree. ALWAYS demo the instrument before you buy it. If it seems too good to be true, then it probably is.
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« Reply #153 on: Apr 28, 2017, 12:55AM »

Yeah, I agree. ALWAYS demo the instrument before you buy it. If it seems too good to be true, then it probably is.

Then you have not bought a horn from DJ!
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« Reply #154 on: May 17, 2017, 12:13PM »

You can add me to the "bought a trombone from DJ sight unseen" group.  Just bought an Olds Super from him.  I'm honestly more excited to see what I'll be getting than I would be if I'd seen it ahead of time. 
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