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« Reply #20 on: Oct 18, 2011, 09:00PM »

fact checking tonight's debate:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44953823/ns/politics/

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/las-vegas-debate-fact-check/?partner=rss&emc=rss


http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/19/politics/five-things-learned-gop-debate/index.html

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LAS VEGAS (CNN) -- Seven Republican presidential candidates engaged in a sometimes contentious debate Tuesday in Las Vegas, Nevada, as bad blood boiled between front-runners and the surging Herman Cain found his opponents taking aim at his tax plan.
 
Here are five things we learned from the debate:
 
Why 9-9-9 was No. 1: . . .
 
Romney gave as good as he got: . . .
 
Rick Perry finally woke up:  . . .
 
Rick Santorum's the fighter: . . .
 
Immigration questions not going away: . . .

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/19/politics/truth-squad-hiring-illegals/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/19/politics/truth-squad-perry-tarp/index.html
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« Reply #21 on: Oct 20, 2011, 01:42PM »

 Sing it!

"happy days are here again"

 Sing it!

whoops, that might be a Democratic song

any way:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/20/yet-more-debates-added-to-calendar/?partner=rss&emc=rss

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Yet More Debates Added to Calendar
 
By MICHAEL D. SHEAR


More debates!

Fox News is announcing today that is is sponsoring two additional Republican presidential debates, adding to an already packed schedule of face-offs.

The network will join with the Republican Party of Iowa for a debate on Dec. 15th in Sioux City. That debate will be just over two weeks before the state’s Jan. 3 caucuses.

Fox will also partner with the Republican Party of South Carolina to hold a debate in Myrtle Beach on Jan. 16. South Carolina is scheduled to hold its primary on Jan. 21.

“We are pleased to host these additional Republican presidential debates and provide viewers an opportunity to gain more insight into the nominees at such critical junctures in the 2012 election season,” said Michael Clemente, the senior vice president of news for the network.

The debates add to an already crowded schedule of such events. The Republican candidates have met in such forums eight times already.

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« Reply #22 on: Nov 09, 2011, 04:30AM »

another GOP Presidential hopeful debate tonight on CNBC

and Perry isn't skipping it

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000056085

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/09/cnbc-gop-debate-preview-5-things-to-watch.html

http://macomb.patch.com/articles/economy-jobs-will-remain-a-focus-for-campaign-2012
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« Reply #23 on: Nov 09, 2011, 04:38AM »

Thank heavens I have a gig and can miss this one.

I'll listen to the sound bites of the discord in the morning.

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« Reply #24 on: Nov 09, 2011, 05:38AM »

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They're pandering to psychological infants.
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« Reply #25 on: Nov 09, 2011, 06:26AM »

that is truely a well thought out response


if anyone else had posted that, you would have been all over them.

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« Reply #26 on: Nov 09, 2011, 06:42AM »

that is truely a well thought out response

It's honest, anyway.
 
 
if anyone else had posted that, you would have been all over them.

Speak for yourself. You're not qualified to speak for me, or anyone else.
 
Did you think long and hard about this response? Do all responses require significant deliberation? Are there concepts and ideas you've developed that can be expressed and demonstrated after you've already done the thinking that applies?
 
If someone offers such a comment in response to another poster I might jump on them for it, as you suggest, but there are other factors you apparently don't understand--and you shouldn't, because they're not your standards and you can't read my mind, which brings us right back to the top of this post.
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« Reply #27 on: Nov 09, 2011, 06:45AM »

Stop being so defensive.  He caught you fair and square.

Not that it matters; the Republican debate will be 8 guys (1 of whom is a gal) trying to show that they are each more Conservative than the next; further alienating the Independents in the Middle and the Democrats on the Left.

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« Reply #28 on: Nov 09, 2011, 06:59AM »

that is truely a well thought out response


if anyone else had posted that, you would have been all over them.

jmvho, ymmv


What else would you expect from BVB?
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« Reply #29 on: Nov 09, 2011, 07:10AM »

I would hope that you and BVB and others, as well as myself, wouldn't post replies like that

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« Reply #30 on: Nov 09, 2011, 07:13AM »

Stop being so defensive.  He caught you fair and square.

Well, not really, but I can see how your patience can be non-existent at this point for anything that even appears on the surface to be like Ronkny's pattern (that was pattern) of posting.
 
I'd ask you both to focus a bit more carefully/critically and pay more attention to detail ... but this is good in any case. This is what needs to happen in here to establish a better social climate and possibly in order to avoid the nuclear option, as the occasional chatter suggests is getting more likely.
 
I'm glad to see it.
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« Reply #31 on: Nov 09, 2011, 09:47AM »

this debate is supposed to be about the economy, so this might be interesting:

http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/09/news/economy/presidential_candidates_economics/index.htm

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2012 candidates slip on Econ 101

By Charles Riley @CNNMoney November 9, 2011: 5:47 AM ET

Every 2012 contender attended college. They all graduated. They went to schools like the University of Pennsylvania, Columbia, Texas A&M, Morehouse, Penn State and Emory.

. . . Is it time for an Econ 101 refresher course?

America's Econ 101 professors say yes. In their view, the candidates continue to offer ideas and policies that wouldn't pass muster in their classes -- populated by 18 year-old college students.

"There are so many economic 'misstatements' being made," said Jonathan Lanning, a professor at Bryn Mawr who is teaching two introductory economics classes this semester. "And it isn't confined to any one candidate."

Michele Bachmann promised to bring back $2 gas. Tim Pawlenty suggested sustained 5% GDP growth was a realistic target. Rick Perry would balance the budget with lower tax revenues.

No dice, say the professors.

Stephen Golub, who is teaching Econ 101 at Swarthmore College this semester, said some of the ideas floated by Presidential candidates would earn a failing grade in his class.

"I think it's grossly irresponsible what they are saying," Golub said. "It's not about economics. It's about getting elected. They are promising things that are impossible to deliver or make little sense."

The rhetoric sounds good on the campaign trail. Not in the classroom.

The simple laws of supply and demand render Bachmann's $2 gas promise void, said Erik Nelson, an Econ 101 professor at Bowdoin College.

 . . . Rick Perry labeling Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke as treasonous? "Really over the top," said Golub.

Another professor who teaches at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Michael Salemi, was able to identify statements from six candidates that "would earn failing grades in my Econ 101 class."

Salemi called Ron Paul's rationale for returning to the gold standard "one of the most dangerous ideas put forward by a politician in recent years."

And the idea of waging a trade war with China that was bandied about by Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney at a recent debate?

"If we learned anything from the Great Depression it was that starting a trade war by passing new tariffs leads to reprisals," Salemi said. "In the end there are no winners, only losers."

How the economy could break Obama

Nelson said the tax plans floated by Cain and Perry are prime examples of policy proposals that are designed to appeal to primary voters.

"If either of these men are the Republican nominee for president, I suspect their flat tax proposals will go the way of all other short-lived flat tax proposals," Nelson said.

Bernard Salanie, an economics professor at Columbia University, said Perry's simplified tax form just won't cut it.

"It is a bit depressing to again hear the argument that we will be well on the road to recovery once our tax returns fit on a postcard," Salanie said.

And it's not just Republicans -- the Democratic candidate is slipping too.

Neither "side" has a "truly comprehensive understanding of even basic economics," Lanning said.

Nelson pointed to President Obama's green jobs initiative, which he said is an attempt to wed job creation and energy production in a way that is unlikely to produce real results.

"They should either concentrate on a policy that aids job creation or a policy that creates more green energy; attempts to do both with one policy means they do well on neither goal," Nelson said. . . .
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« Reply #32 on: Nov 09, 2011, 07:03PM »

transcript of tonight's debate on CNBC

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45232734

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CNBC's "Your Money, Your Vote: The Republican Presidential Debate" Live from Oakland University in Rochester, MI ...

more analysis from the debate, ymmmv:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/10/politics/things-we-learned-gop-debate/index.html

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Five things we learned from Wednesday's GOP debate

Rochester, Michigan (CNN) -- Wednesday's Republican presidential debate in Michigan was almost entirely focused on economic issues, but the forum offered some seriously revealing moments about each of the candidates.
 
The night's biggest loser was, without a doubt, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who struggled uncomfortably for nearly a full minute to recall which three federal agencies he would eliminate as president.
 
"Commerce, Education, and the -- what's the third one there? Let's see," Perry said, looking puzzled and searching his notes.
 
Finally, mercifully, Perry admitted he could not remember and simply gave up.
 
His only excuse: "Oops."
 
Here are five things we learned from the debate:
 
'Oops' is right . . . 
 
Romney and the free market, sitting in a tree . . .

Ciao, Europe . . .
 
Newt hates the media (and loves the media) . . .
 
Someone get Herman Cain a briefing book! . . .

some fact checking

auto bail out

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/fact-check-romneys-clunker-1221661.html

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/10/politics/truth-squad-government-automakers/index.html

mortgages
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/10/politics/truth-squad-romney/index.html

banks too big to fail

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/10/politics/truth-squad-huntsman-bailouts/index.html

Perry being ---

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57321982-503544/rick-perry-fails-to-remember-what-agency-hed-get-rid-of-in-gop-debate/

here is the video:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/09/will-oops-be-perrys-campaign-epitaph/

it is shocking to watch him as he laughs

http://www.neontommy.com/news/2011/11/cnbc-gop-debate-paul-gingrich-say-federal-student-loan-program-bad-idea
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« Reply #33 on: Nov 12, 2011, 02:46PM »

"Betcha" thought I missed one,

truth is that I have been out of town w/ TWCB Bone while he was doing testing for merit scholarships so I am a little behind.

we do have another GOP Presidential Debate tonight - on Foreign Policy and National Security, of all things, what will they think of next.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-contenders-to-debate-foreign-policy/2011/11/11/gIQATO6RDN_story.html

more later

"ya betcha"

more fact checking from the CNBC Debate,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/fact-checking-the-cnbc-debate/2011/11/09/gIQACwL86M_blog.html

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“I have never done any lobbying [for Freddie Mac]. Every contract was written during the period when I was out of the office, specifically said I would do no lobbying, and I offered advice. And my advice as a historian, when they walked in and said to me, “We are now making loans to people who have no credit history and have no record of paying back anything, but that’s what the government wants us to do,” as I said to them at the time, this is a bubble. This is insane. This is impossible.”
 
— Newt Gingrich

While it is not readily apparent what Gingrich may have privately told Freddie Mac executives in exchange for his $300,000 consulting fee, the Associated Press reported in 2008 that “Gingrich talked and wrote about what he saw as the benefits of the Freddie Mac business model.”

That role would be in keeping with the types of comments he made while he was speaker of the House. The recent book “Reckless Endangerment,” by Gretchen Morgenson and Joshua Rosner, quoted from a speech Gingrich made while speaker. “Fannie Mae is an excellent example of a former government institution fulfilling its mandate while functioning in the market economy,” he said, which the authors note was not quite accurate since “there was nothing ‘former’ about Fannie Mac’s government status.

Gingrich certainly appears to be playing down his public role as a cheerleader for institutions like Freddie Mac.
 
“Let me tell you this, if I’m president of the United States, I will be true to my family, to my faith, and to our country, and I will never apologize for the United States of America.”
 
— Mitt Romney

No matter how many times Romney says this, it simply is not true. We have documented extensively — back in February — how Obama did not apologize for America in his trips overseas. It’s a four Pinocchio error.

“I think it is outrageous the Obama campaign continues to push this idea” that I am a flip-flopper
 
— Romney

The former Massachusetts governor conveniently ignores the fact that Jon Huntsman and Rick Perry, two of his rivals, have been running ads making exactly that case. The Huntsman ads actually are pretty funny, as is a Which Mitt? Web site run by the Democrats.

“It is fair. The reason it’s fair is because of the definition in Webster which says everybody gets treated the same.”
 
— Herman Cain, touting his 9-9-9 tax plan.

We have previously given Cain three Pinocchios for claiming his tax plan would lower taxes for everyone. He’s wrong again when he says everyone would be treated the same. Every credible study shows taxes would go up for poorer Americans and down for richer Americans.
 
“When you have 53 percent of Americans paying federal income taxes, but you have 47 percent of Americans who pay no federal income taxes, you have a real problem.”
 
— Rep. Michele Bachmann

This fact is essentially correct but it ignores a key component of the federal tax system — payroll taxes. For many Americans, payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare are a much greater part of their tax burden than income taxes. When all federal tax liabilities are included, it is clear that only a small percentage pay no form of federal tax. Bachmann is proposing a solution — making everyone pay at least the cost of two Big Macs — for which there is no problem.
 
“Governor Perry, every quarter I get to report the GDP [gross domestic product] figures, and it’s a negative number for housing, and we’ve lost some 2 million construction jobs. Housing creates jobs, as well, doesn’t it?”
 
“Not a negative number in Texas.”

— Exchange between moderator and Rick Perry

The question appears to be about construction jobs, and Perry simply got it wrong. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the number of construction jobs in Texas fell from 669,000 from January 2008 to 601,000 in September of this year. The overall number of construction jobs has barely inched up since December, with some months showing a slight decrease.
 
“I want to keep our taxes down. I don’t want to raise any taxes anywhere. Let me tell you, I’m not looking to raise taxes.”
 
— Romney, Nov. 9

“Look, I don’t like temporary little Band-Aids, I want to fundamentally restructure America’s foundation economically.”
 
— Romney, Oct. 11

Once again, Romney dodged a question as to whether or not he would extend the payroll tax cut championed by President Obama. He certainly left the impression Tuesday night that he would extend it, though in the last debate he left the impression he would not. (Frankly, his full answer in October was confusing, since he was trying to argue that a temporary cut was not as effective for job creation as a permanent cut.) He clearly seems to be avoiding a yes or no answer, since he never gives it no matter how hard the moderators try to pin him down.

“We’ve sent so much interest money over to the Chinese to pay our debts off that we effectively built their aircraft carrier. And by 2015, we will be sending so much interest money over, we will be paying for the entire People’s Liberation Army of China, the number- one employer of the — of the world.”
 
— Bachmann

This fascinating factoid appears to come from a book titled “After America: Get Ready for Armageddon,” by Mark Steyn. He mentions the statistic about paying for the army by 2015 on page 6, but his footnote only cites an article saying the Chinese army is the world’s largest employer. So we did some of our own math. The official Chinese military budget is $91 billion, but the Defense Department pegs it as closer $150 billion. But the annual interest expense paid by U.S. taxpayers on the more than $1 trillion in debt held by the Chinese is $74 million a day, or $27 billion a year. That’s certainly a lot of money but we don’t see how that adds up to $150 billion — or more — by 2015.

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« Reply #34 on: Nov 12, 2011, 02:59PM »

Wonder what Herman Cain will say about Youse Becky Stan Stan Stan? Evil
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« Reply #35 on: Nov 12, 2011, 03:05PM »

A bunch of no-hopers! What other conclusion could you reach? The US has a really sad system for choosing its presidents.
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« Reply #36 on: Nov 12, 2011, 03:10PM »

Wonder what Herman Cain will say about Youse Becky Stan Stan Stan? Evil


I didn't know Cain was from  Eeek! Eeek! "New York City"  Eeek! Eeek!

I thought he was a good ole Georgia (adolescent male)
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« Reply #37 on: Nov 12, 2011, 05:13PM »

Romney just said we should go to war with Iran if necessary to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.

Gingrich is saying we should do the same, "whatever it takes"

Paul says no, not unless Congress is willing to declare war, must do it constitutionally, afraid this is just like Iraq

Perry, refuses to answer new questions, says we need to sanction Iran's Central Bank and shut down the ecomony

Afghanistan, must secure the country, time table is irresponsible.

the transcript will make it all clear

http://hillbuzz.org/republican-south-carolina-debate-live-blog-transcript-cbs-debate-111211-111211

its on CBS for the next 60 plus minutes
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« Reply #38 on: Nov 12, 2011, 05:37PM »

Yeesh!  What's Romney been smoking?  Ignore our Constitution and our history of not interfering in the affairs of others to try to prevent Iran from developing something they are already well along toward having?  And even if he manages to develop these weapons, what does he have to deliver them to us or even to Israel?  SCUDs?  "Cannons" made from 2 miles of seamless aluminum pipe?  And then as they try to cut costs, how are they planning to pay for this?

These guys are really weird.
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« Reply #39 on: Nov 12, 2011, 05:45PM »

wait till you see the transcript on torture and waterboarding

Cain twisted all around himself.

Romney just supported Obama's decision to take out the American cleric in Yemen.

Paul and Huntsman clearly called waterboarding, torture and illegal

Cain, Bachmann and Perry(?) getting behind here all supported waterboarding

got to see the transcript

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CAIN:  Stance on torture.  I believe that following procedures established by the military.  I do not agree with torture period but I trust the decisions of our military leaders on what is torture and what is not.  Now Cain is asked about waterboarding.  I agree that waterboarding was enhanced interrogation technique and I would return to that policy. I see it as an enhanced interrogation technique.
 
BACHMANN: If I was president I would use waterboarding because it was effective.  Barack Obama is using the ACLU to run the CIA.  We have no CIA interrogation anymore.  It is as though Obama has decided we wanted to lose the war on terror.
 
PAUL: Torture is illegal by our laws and international laws.  Waterboarding is torture and many other things.  It is illegal under our law and international war and is impractical. There is no evidence you get good information. That is what you get because torture is uncivilized and unAmerican.
 
BACHMANN:  I have to say something on this — get interrupted by the moderator and shut down.
 
HUNTSMAN: I am lonely in Siberia. I have two boys in the United States Navy.  We have a name brand in the world. I have lived overseas four times and been an ambassador three times.  We project liberty democracy and human rights. Waterboarding is torture.  If we lose the ability to project values, then we lose it all.

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