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[alownx]

Let's do what Chavez in Venezuela does. Vote for me, or you lose your job .

[Baron von Bone]

let's end voting fraud
 
stop the voting, no voting fraud possible
 
simple isn't it.

Ha Ha Ha

If he'd claimed that was the conservative position rather than making it simply a joke you'd have a good example for how a whole lot of your posts look.

[ddickerson]

Ha Ha Ha  
If he'd claimed that was the conservative position rather than making it simply a joke you'd have a good example for how a whole lot of your posts look.

Thank you for you critique.

[ronkny]

Thank you for you critique.

He's such a sweetheart, isn't he?

[ddickerson]

He's such a sweetheart, isn't he?

Of course!

[Russ White]

Let's do what Chavez in Venezuela does. Vote for me, or you lose your job .

Or, like the Republicans, vote for me, AND lose your job!!

[ronkny]

Or, like the Republicans, vote for me, AND lose your job!!

Good one!    Not true, but a good witty reply anyway!

[TillerTrom]

Or, like the Republicans, vote for me, AND lose your job!!

Or, like the Democrats, vote for me, AND we will tax your employeer and you to give the money to people who who chose to drop out of school, have 4 kids out of wedlock and demand section 8, food stamps, and welfare on the back of your hard work. The end result is an ever growing portion of society leeching off everyone else becuase the "safety net" is always there. In the end, you lose your job or give up working so hard to subsidize the programs the liberal politicians get patted on the back for.

Wake up America!
 

[alownx]

^^^^^ LIKE (In the words of Facebook)

[ddickerson]

From the DOJ:

"The Department of Justice is in full-on spin mode over the James O’Keefe Project Veritas tape in which a young white man is offered Attorney General Eric Holder’s ballot. Desperate to prove that voter ID should not be presented in order to obtain a ballot, the DOJ fired back at O’Keefe and Project Veritas today, with a DOJ official telling tried-and-true media ally Talking Points Memo, “It’s no coincidence that these so-called examples of rampant voter fraud consistently turn out to be manufactured ones.”

Eric:

This illustrates how easy it is to manufacture false votes. Get it?

The reason you don’t see actual cases of voter fraud filmed is, well, we can’t get the frauders to film themselves as they commit voter fraud. Duh! It’s like, they don’t want to get caught. They WANT to be undetected. Jeez!

But wait, I’m working on it. I’ll offer a prize to those that film themselves as they commit their crimes. 

Maybe, I’ll start a new TV show called American Frauders where contestants submit their videos of themselves committing acts of voter fraud. We can submit the videos to the public for voting to find the best vote frauder.

[BGuttman]

Or, like the Democrats, vote for me, AND we will tax your employeer and you to give the money to people who who chose to drop out of school, have 4 kids out of wedlock and demand section 8, food stamps, and welfare on the back of your hard work. The end result is an ever growing portion of society leeching off everyone else becuase the "safety net" is always there. In the end, you lose your job or give up working so hard to subsidize the programs the liberal politicians get patted on the back for.

Wake up America!
 

I hope you are armed.  Well armed.  Because if we follow your thoughts there will be an underclass of poor and desperate people. They will do anything.  Including riot.  Or burn down your house.

I'd strongly recommend you walk a mile in somebody who is destitute's shoes.

Just remember: there but for the grace of God went you.

[TillerTrom]

I hope you are armed.  Well armed.  Because if we follow your thoughts there will be an underclass of poor and desperate people. They will do anything.  Including riot.  Or burn down your house.

I'd strongly recommend you walk a mile in somebody who is destitute's shoes.

Just remember: there but for the grace of God went you.

I am a God fearing man. I donate my time and money to charities I believe do good work. I am also for programs that help the "truly" needy. However that is no longer what we have. We have programs aimed to prevent everything bad they may happen to anyone at anytime. With so many "safety nets" it takes away the risk of poor choices and replaces good judgement, long term planning and self reliance with the a politician who promises to provide the program you rely on with more and more money in return for your vote. People then happily hand over every ounce of liberty they have for the promise of security. I am sure you already know the famous Ben Franklin quote on that.

Our nation did not have welfare, food stamps, section 8, and cash for kids for 150 years. Somehow we did just fine with no streets strewn with the dead. Should we help those who truly can not help themselves? Absolutely! But ehen 1 in 4 people in this nation get some kind of check from a government program every month really addressing the problem or has it expanded past its intentions? How long is it sustainable?

I am for helping people who need help, but I am not for subsidizing people who keep making poor choices.

[BGuttman]

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Our nation did not have welfare, food stamps, section 8, and cash for kids for 150 years. Somehow we did just fine with no streets strewn with the dead. Should we help those who truly can not help themselves? Absolutely! But ehen 1 in 4 people in this nation get some kind of check from a government program every month really addressing the problem or has it expanded past its intentions? How long is it sustainable?

...

What country are you living in?  At one time there were gang-run neighborhoods in all the major cities where even the Police did not go.  Gangs would shake down local businesses regularly.  Corruption was rampant.

Take out a book with some of the photographs by Jacob Riis.  I believe it was originally published as "How the Other Half Lives" and see the squalor that afflicted the poor 100 years ago.  And it wasn't any better in the country.  Farmers were at the mercy of the grain elevator operators.  You could get a bumper crop and all the prices would drop through the floor.  Or when prices are good you have a drought and lose all your crops.  Most farms did not have indoor plumbing.  You often went barefoot and would pick up parasitic worms from the ground.

As I said, you should walk a mile in a poor man's shoes.  Try to get a job when you can't get there by public transportation.  Try to get a job when you are a single parent and have two small children that you can't afford child care to tend.  Try to get a job when you are Black or Hispanic (yes, there is still plenty of prejudice out there).  Try to live on what you can earn in a low wage job.  Actually, that will prepare you for a life as a musician

[TillerTrom]

At some point we let the fox guard the hen house. For example, can labor unions do good? Sure, but when they demand too much and push too far they can hurt people and destroy all they have worked for. I have heard many times of unions demanding more than a company can pay in negotiations and will not back down. Forcing the company to close up shop and either go out of business or move. At some point the greed of the people making the demands overwhelmed the system and everyone loses.

I am not a heartless man. I am very caring about my fellow man as are my fellow conservative compatriots. We all support helping truly down on their luck people, the indigent, mentally ill and poor. I for one have no problem supporting both government and private charities to help these people. But the vast majority in this nation who demand these programs are people who chose not to finish school, have multiple children out of wedlock younger than 20. Many are talented, able bodied people who by no one else's fault put them in their prediciment. Should we offer help for vocational training? Sure! Should we provide generation after generation of lazy people who do nothing with their lives a check? No!

You seem to think things were easy for me and life was always good. I have worked my butt off everyday, making wise choices, planning for the future and being self reliant. If a poor kid from a small town can work hard scubbing toilets and bagging groceries to save money to go to college, then anyone can. This is the freak'n land of opprotunity and all I see are are whiny people begging for hand outs. I am a conservative because I am poor but have been poorer. I am a conservative becuase I have walked in those shoes you talk about. I am a conservative because nothing has been handed to me and I know the meaning of hard work. I promise you, I am up before you and in bed after you every working day.

[BGuttman]

You fell for the Reagan stereotype: Welfare Queen.  He whipped up all kinds of fury with foam from the mouth about how the Welfare Queen took advantage of the system.  Guess what?  There really aren't many of them.  If you keep dismantling the support systems in the hope of getting at the Welfare Queens you will remove the assistance from the people you claim are worthy first.

This sounds a lot like the Voter ID solution.  It's an expensive solution to a negligible problem.  There are other problems and these should be attacked, but it's easier to "squirrel" folks into tearing after these straw men.  Thus the real manipulators, in their smoke filled rooms, can usurp our country.

[Baron von Bone]

Just remember: there but for the grace of God went you.

I think one of the reasons I never leaned toward wingnutism is that, as a believer, I actually considered such "doctrines" deeply thoroughly (I say "doctrines" because it's not a biblical quote but rather a pseudo-canonical Protestant doctrine).

[TillerTrom]

I hope you are armed.  Well armed.  Because if we follow your thoughts there will be an underclass of poor and desperate people. They will do anything.  Including riot.  Or burn down your house.

I thought liberals were pacifists? 

Ok, I am game. Here is how I see your hypothetical scenario playing out.

In the battle for my home, I see I have three distinct advantages-

1. I am fighting on my own turf. I know it better and therefor have the tactical edge.

2. I have time to prepare. They will not be able to have the advantage of a suprise attack since most liberals have an aversion to bathing and liberal women are often shrill and do not usually shave their armpits. I will be able to smell, if not hear them, a mile away.

3. I own firearms. Firearms cost money and require knowledge to use effectively. Many liberals often lack both money and education. Also, years of "gun control" talk have made them scared of guns and the sight of them raises their adrenaline levels where they lose control of themselves and bodily functions.

I see the occupy-ers/neo-hippies having only one advantage-

1. Sheer numbers. This can be a disadvantage because what you gain in strength you must have a logistical mechanism in place to keep them feed, clothed and supplied. This limits mobility and resources.

I believe the first day or so of the campaign would be them setting up their tent cities down my street. I would send a letting stating that they have one chance to vacate and I will allow them to live. I will also provide them a box of "Occupy Cemetery" T-Shirts free of charge for those that wish to continue their fight, because that is all they will be occupying in the near future - a grave. I have no doubt they will turn down my offer and tell me they are coming to take from me what they believe they deserve because their politicans said so and they are the "99%".

By day two, I estimate that 25% of the hoard will have already forgotton why they were there and proceeded to rape eachother. We saw this kind of sexual debauchery in the Occupy Wall Street type demonstrations as well. With only 75% of their forces left, they would have to march upwards an incline to my house which sits on a hill at the end of a cul-de-sac. This would be like the Confederates in the battle of Gettysburg trying to take Cemetery Hill from the Union. I will have the high ground, and thus the advantage. Being on a cul-de-sac, there is not effective back routes into my property and only a full frontal assault would be logical. During the march to my house I would start off with my Remington 700, scoped rifle to snipe the leaders. They would be obvious targets due to the fact they would be the ones with the bull horns chanting the ridiculous slogans like "Bush lied, people died" and "We are the 99%" and wavying thier arms around giving orders. Liberals are like zombies and without a shrill and obnoxious leader telling them what to do and how to think they will stop dead in thier tracks. At this point I estimate another 50% of the swarm will loose focus and quit.

On day three I expect the remaining 25% of "wingnut" liberal types to still be for the cause and have recouped, chosen new officers to replace the ones I took out the day before and began the assault on my property. This is where I would begin my psychological warfare and try to deter as many from proceeding as I could. I figure I will not have a lot of time once they get on my property to reload a shotgun, so I would use my Browning Auto-5 with slugs to inflict the maximum damage to the heads and torsos of the first invaders. I would hope that seeing their comrade's bodies blow up in front of their eyes will make them rethink their lust and greed for my private property they believe they are entitled too. I would have enough time to reload, but this time with double OO buck. My plan here would be to take out as many of them on my driveway as possible to act as a barrier and slow the progress down of those that followed. Walking over dead bodies can not be that easy.

As this point I would take my Colt M4 Carbine in 5.56 NATO with two 30 round mags taped together Israeli Special Forces style and take out as many as I could as they entered my property and were slowed down by the corpses of their dead drones. Assuming they still had enough numbers, I would then retreat to my home. Knowing there is no side door, they all would be forced into my front door like the Persians in the Battle of Thermopylae. They would be so bottle necked that taking them out with a Glock 17 with 33 round magazines would be a piece of cake.

In the end I keep my stuff, the liberal wingnuts are gone and the rest of the drones are still in their tent cities raping eachother and defecating in the street. Life would go on.

 

[BGuttman]

It'n not the Liberal Elites who will be gunning for you, bud.

It will be an army of poor folks.

And it will look more like the townsfolk in Frankenstein; armed with pitchforks and torches.

They won't attack you; they will simply apply the torches to your house and leave.

You will have your stuff; wherever you wind up when you are burned to death.  Because Russ has retired.

[Baron von Bone]

Firearms cost money and require knowledge to use effectively. Many liberals often lack both money and education.

I have both as well (military training and coaching with a retired local PD firearms instructor), and you don't need much training to use a gun effectively--that's usually a gun control advocate error, but I guess when it's convenient most gun right advocates will go there as well. You need tactical training to be very tactically effective in such a situation, but that's a whole different ballgame. Also, if you're trying to defend a smallish property (up to, I suppose, 40-50 acres-ish), you're not gonna do so well, tactically speaking ... I expect you know how a siege works, at least basically. We've seen a few good, recent examples of how well that goes for the home/property owner. Of course a mob is much more likely to just go with the Bruce strategy and torch the place.
 
But this doesn't seem to have a helluvalot to do with voting rights ...

[TillerTrom]

You will have your stuff; wherever you wind up when you are burned to death.  Because Russ has retired.

You know what they say. He who dies with the most stuff wins!