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« on: Feb 07, 2012, 06:58AM »

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« Reply #1 on: Feb 07, 2012, 08:26AM »

Anything that offends "Turd Blossom" (I realize that's an insult to turds) can't be all bad.
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 07, 2012, 12:13PM »

I find it ironic that by feigning offense at that commercial, Mr. Rove is doing the exact politicing that he's claiming offense at.
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 07, 2012, 12:33PM »

Chrysler would be out of business if the Republicans had there way.  They were against the auto bailout, but were for the wall street bailout.  That shows us whose interests they look out for.
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 07, 2012, 12:37PM »

Chrysler would be out of business if the Republicans had there way.  They were against the auto bailout, but were for the wall street bailout.  That shows us whose interests they look out for.
Chrysler may have gone bankrupt but they may have survived under restructuring.  Just like many businesses do every day.
Not all Republicans supported bailing out Wall Street.
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Get your facts straight.
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 08, 2012, 10:49AM »

As long as we're getting our facts straight, Clint's a libertarian who opposed and opposes the auto bailout.

I don't see how that ad is pro-Obama. Talking about working together to rebuild our economy and our nation would give offense only to those from both parties who have hampered our recovery with the politics of division for narrow, partisan gain. As BvB says, it's telling to notice who takes umbrage at such a positive message.

It doesn't make sense that Chrysler would deliberately create a pro-Obama ad, because around half of the country opposes him, and Chrysler wants to sell them cars.

I don't really care about Rove's crocodile tears over the ad, because nothing he says ever means anything. 'Chicago-style politics', indeed.
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 08, 2012, 10:52AM »

As long as we're getting our facts straight, Clint's a libertarian who opposed and opposes the auto bailout.


Clint in an actor.
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 08, 2012, 10:54AM »

Clint in an actor.

So was Ronnie Reagan.
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 08, 2012, 10:56AM »

So was Ronnie Reagan.

So? He didn't make the ad in question.
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 08, 2012, 11:10AM »

As long as we're getting our facts straight, Clint's a libertarian who opposed and opposes the auto bailout.

I don't see how that ad is pro-Obama. Talking about working together to rebuild our economy and our nation would give offense only to those from both parties who have hampered our recovery with the politics of division for narrow, partisan gain. As BvB says, it's telling to notice who takes umbrage at such a positive message.

It doesn't make sense that Chrysler would deliberately create a pro-Obama ad, because around half of the country opposes him, and Chrysler wants to sell them cars.

I don't really care about Rove's crocodile tears over the ad, because nothing he says ever means anything. 'Chicago-style politics', indeed.
I don't see this ad as pro Obama but I see how some could construe it that way.  Clint's a strong libertarian/Republican.  This issue is silly.
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 08, 2012, 11:16AM »

Clint is also a politician who was a Republican most of his life and now describes himself as a libertarian independent.

He may be an actor, but he wasn't hired as anonymous voice talent or a pretty face, and he probably doesn't need the money. The ad had a message he liked, obviously.

1)If you believe that Obama's a socialist (Ronkny calls him 'Mao-bama'), why would a libertarian make a plug for a socialist candidate?
2)Why would Chrysler deliberately run a pro-Obama ad?
3) Why is an pep talk on the strength of America and our ability to work together considered pro-Obama?

Haven't heard an answer to any of those. My answer is that the ad's message of working together is contrary to current GOP political strategy. But it shouldn't be, if they're working for us.
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« Reply #11 on: Feb 08, 2012, 11:18AM »

I don't see this ad as pro Obama but I see how some could construe it that way.  Clint's a strong libertarian/Republican.  This issue is silly.

We agree. What this illustrates is the mania for creating false issues (Sharia Law, anchor babies, etc.) in a dangerous world where we have issues like Pakistan and Iran that threaten our very existence.

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« Reply #12 on: Feb 08, 2012, 05:19PM »

We agree. What this illustrates is the mania for creating false issues (Sharia Law, anchor babies, etc.) in a dangerous world where we have issues like Pakistan and Iran that threaten our very existence.



Actually you could summarize and say that WE threaten our very existence. We (humans) are our own worst enemies. But I digress...
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« Reply #13 on: Feb 08, 2012, 05:55PM »

1)If you believe that Obama's a socialist (Ronkny calls him 'Mao-bama'), why would a libertarian make a plug for a socialist candidate?
2)Why would Chrysler deliberately run a pro-Obama ad?
3) Why is an pep talk on the strength of America and our ability to work together considered pro-Obama?
Those are great questions, and the ad said nothing at all about Obama -- not even a vague reference to leadership.  It didn't even mention government.

So why are the Republicans coming ungluead about this?  Because every single one of them was wishing for Detroit's failure -- not just wishing, but actively campaigning for Detroit's failure.  They actively, aggressively opposed Obama, and most Americans know that. 

They was voiding bricks now because it is only a teeny step from what they did to wishing for AMERICA to fail.  And frankly, that is exactly what Republicans have come to be seen as.  When McConnell said the most important thing -- over all else -- was to make sure Obama was a one-term President, Americans got the message.  So Detroit is succeeding despite all sorts of Republican fingerprints on the daggers, ice picks and blunt objects they tried to use to kill it.

That is why they see what is in fact, a very apolitical ad, as their undoing.
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 08, 2012, 06:12PM »

Those are great questions, and the ad said nothing at all about Obama -- not even a vague reference to leadership.  It didn't even mention government.

So why are the Republicans coming ungluead about this?  Because every single one of them was wishing for Detroit's failure -- not just wishing, but actively campaigning for Detroit's failure.  They actively, aggressively opposed Obama, and most Americans know that. 

They was voiding bricks now because it is only a teeny step from what they did to wishing for AMERICA to fail.  And frankly, that is exactly what Republicans have come to be seen as.  When McConnell said the most important thing -- over all else -- was to make sure Obama was a one-term President, Americans got the message.  So Detroit is succeeding despite all sorts of Republican fingerprints on the daggers, ice picks and blunt objects they tried to use to kill it.

That is why they see what is in fact, a very apolitical ad, as their undoing.
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« Reply #15 on: Feb 08, 2012, 07:39PM »

Fiat owns 58% of Chrysler...Greece is a basket case and Italy may not be far behind.
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« Reply #16 on: Feb 08, 2012, 08:18PM »

Those are great questions, and the ad said nothing at all about Obama -- not even a vague reference to leadership.  It didn't even mention government.

So why are the Republicans coming ungluead about this?  Because every single one of them was wishing for Detroit's failure -- not just wishing, but actively campaigning for Detroit's failure.  They actively, aggressively opposed Obama, and most Americans know that. 

They was voiding bricks now because it is only a teeny step from what they did to wishing for AMERICA to fail.  And frankly, that is exactly what Republicans have come to be seen as.  When McConnell said the most important thing -- over all else -- was to make sure Obama was a one-term President, Americans got the message.  So Detroit is succeeding despite all sorts of Republican fingerprints on the daggers, ice picks and blunt objects they tried to use to kill it.

That is why they see what is in fact, a very apolitical ad, as their undoing.



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« Reply #17 on: Feb 08, 2012, 08:33PM »

Yep, Brilliant Summary!,
A very persuasive counter-argument, I must say.
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« Reply #18 on: Feb 08, 2012, 08:42PM »

Fiat owns 58% of Chrysler...Greece is a basket case and Italy may not be far behind.
Greece is a red herring. Italy may or may not be relevant.

But the fact is that Chrysler has repaid every dollar invested by the US government, AND they ave continued to employ a LARGE work force of AMERICANS here in AMERICA. And they have continued to produce a lot of vehicle that need lots of parts made by AMERICANS at AMERICAN supply houses.  And absolutely none of this would have happened if any Republican anywhere in the leadership would have had their say.  Show me a single Republican leader who was in favor of trying to keep the American car industry alive.

(Of course there are plenty of Republicans in the "right to work cheap" states that were hoping for Detroit to fail because they thought that would help them in their alliances with Honda, Toyota, Nissan and other offshore companies looking.  They are happy to provide the cheapest possible labor to foreign companies.  That is not the same thing as maintaining a strong domestic industry.)

The simple truth is that Republicans hate Obama so much that they were hoping for a complete collapse of our system -- and doing everything in their power to achieve that goal.

I should also point out that there is only one Fiat model being imported today -- and that is the 500, a niche product that doesn't overlap with the Chrysler/Dodge line at all.  I have been driving a 500 for the past 3 weeks, by the way, and it is a very nice piece of work.  If Italy gets into the deep weeds, it will not be because of the Fiat 500.

Today I switched to a Ford Flex, another great product made by an AMERICAN company by AMERICAN workers.
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« Reply #19 on: Feb 08, 2012, 08:51PM »

Greece is a red herring. Italy may or may not be relevant.

But the fact is that Chrysler has repaid every dollar invested by the US government, AND they ave continued to employ a LARGE work force of AMERICANS here in AMERICA. And they have continued to produce a lot of vehicle that need lots of parts made by AMERICANS at AMERICAN supply houses.  And absolutely none of this would have happened if any Republican anywhere in the leadership would have had their say.  Show me a single Republican leader who was in favor of trying to keep the American car industry alive.

(Of course there are plenty of Republicans in the "right to work cheap" states that were hoping for Detroit to fail because they thought that would help them in their alliances with Honda, Toyota, Nissan and other offshore companies looking.  They are happy to provide the cheapest possible labor to foreign companies.  That is not the same thing as maintaining a strong domestic industry.)

The simple truth is that Republicans hate Obama so much that they were hoping for a complete collapse of our system -- and doing everything in their power to achieve that goal.

I should also point out that there is only one Fiat model being imported today -- and that is the 500, a niche product that doesn't overlap with the Chrysler/Dodge line at all.  I have been driving a 500 for the past 3 weeks, by the way, and it is a very nice piece of work.  If Italy gets into the deep weeds, it will not be because of the Fiat 500.

Today I switched to a Ford Flex, another great product made by an AMERICAN company by AMERICAN workers.
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