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« Reply #500 on: Feb 24, 2012, 07:53AM »

yes, there are people suffering

some even go without vacations or a boat, I understand,

some go without housing or employment

some go without adequate food

some go without the latest gadgets

while others keep on getting richer and richer

Suffering is relative then.  For the spoiled babyboomers, suffering has reached a new level and is defined by how much stuff you have. 
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« Reply #501 on: Feb 24, 2012, 07:55AM »

suffering is always relative and always have been.

unfortunately the least "lucky" among us suffer the most and by those belittling the fact that they do, SCREAMS, volumes about certain people, including posters to TTF.

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« Reply #502 on: Feb 24, 2012, 08:06AM »

suffering is always relative and always have been.
 
unfortunately the least "lucky" among us suffer the most and by those belittling the fact that they do, SCREAMS, volumes about certain people, including posters to TTF.

It is pretty amusing to see those seem so delicate and will weep and wail and whine bitterly upon the slightest provocation regarding certain issues turn around and attempt tough talk regarding others (obviously depending upon an entirely self-serving basis). It's kinda like if Tammy Faye Bakker were to chastise others, saying they need to toughen up and stop crying so easily. There's a touch of a credibility issue there, which they're clearly completely oblivious about (upon the same basis, it would seem).
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« Reply #503 on: Feb 24, 2012, 08:38AM »

suffering is always relative and always have been.

unfortunately the least "lucky" among us suffer the most and by those belittling the fact that they do, SCREAMS, volumes about certain people, including posters to TTF.


Least lucky?  You might be right because e most stupid also suffer but are too stupid to realize it.  Or maybe the most stupid suffer more than the most unlucky, at least in their own minds, when they can't get the latest iPhone or Nikes. 
I belittle lazy people not those who are truly suffering due to their health and circumstances.  I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself, but I do now realize that some here either can't read, choose not to read nor comprehend, or can't remember what happened yesterday.
Screams volumes about some posters on the TTF.
Especially the troll^^^
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« Reply #504 on: Feb 24, 2012, 11:02AM »

next time I'll post an article from Newsademic. Might be easy to comprehend for some;
http://www.newsademic.com/

Since it's an AP poll, why not just read it on AP? I distrust Newsmax because they're taking poll numbers that show Obama's tax increases are wildly popular (way over two-to-one), then headlining in a way that implies the opposite.

Most people I've read who make sense on this issue favor both shrinking government and raising taxes, so implying that they're competing ideas doesn't add much to the debate. Soaking the rich is an easier sell politically, but I think all the Bush tax cuts should be at least partly rescinded, across the board.
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« Reply #505 on: Feb 24, 2012, 11:15AM »

No problem with that what so ever, as long as it's just a first step. We need more gradations at the top, and for income to be income, period. It is asisnine that someone making $400K pays the same rate as some one making $40 M, and that that person is paying the same as someone making $400 M. and same for $4 B. We also need to remove the cap on SS taxes. If you did that you could make the tax holiday permanent, and maybe reduce it by another % or 2 and SS would be solvent forever.
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« Reply #506 on: Feb 24, 2012, 11:25AM »

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No problem with that what so ever, as long as it's just a first step. We need more gradations at the top, and for income to be income, period. It is asisnine that someone making $400K pays the same rate as some one making $40 M, and that that person is paying the same as someone making $400 M. and same for $4 B. We also need to remove the cap on SS taxes. If you did that you could make the tax holiday permanent, and maybe reduce it by another % or 2 and SS would be solvent forever.
This is pure jealousy or class warfare as PM likes to say.  If you were making 4 mil or 400 mil or 4 bil would you be paying 39%?  You have that option. I doubt you would.  I could be wrong though.
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« Reply #507 on: Feb 24, 2012, 02:13PM »

I would be paying whatever the laws written by the elected representatives of the country I have chosen to live in say I would. And would feel privileged to have the opportunity to participate and contribute. I realize it's not about "me", it is about " the general welfare" of the society, not the "greater weathfare" of individuals. That "promoting the general welfare" requires a large percentage of the GDP be reinvested in the society rather than being siphoned off by a small group of individuals. That one purpose of the tax code is to protect the "general welfare" from the predatory practices of some individuals. No jealousy, just no ego-centric "I got mine, you're on your own" attitude.
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« Reply #508 on: Feb 24, 2012, 02:49PM »

DThis is pure jealousy or class warfare as PM likes to say.  If you were making 4 mil or 400 mil or 4 bil would you be paying 39%?  You have that option. I doubt you would.  I could be wrong though.

That's a very, very poor argument. I'm not going to explain why, because I suspect you already know.

It's not 'class warfare' or 'jealousy' to debate the tax code. People of all incomes do it all the time. You've been brainwashed.

The idea of having more tax brackets really comes from 'Joe the Plumber'. His thesis was that people making $250K aren't rich, and by some standards he's right. The tax brackets should be indexed, both to avoid 'bracket creep' (people falling into higher brackets without making more money) and to allow enough brackets to distinguish between the super-wealthy and the prosperous.
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« Reply #509 on: Feb 26, 2012, 09:35PM »

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-plays-race-card-calls-on-churches-to-support-campaign.html
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