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« on: Jul 09, 2012, 08:25AM »

So, the mouthpiece hunt, as always, continues. After playing bass for almost a year combined with tenor, my tenor MPCS are feeling just a little cramped, so I'm looking to go up a bit from the standard 5G and Faxx 5G I've been playing.

Has anyone gotten a chance to do a comparison between the Laskey 59MD and the Hammond 11ML? Maybe compared to the Greg Black 5G, which spec-wise seems more like a 4G. If dillon has the laskey and Hammond in stock, I will be down there this Thursday evening to try them out.
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 09, 2012, 08:43AM »

I have a Hammond 11ML and it plays GREAT for me! The rim, I'd say, is excactly like a 4G but the cup is propably just a tad smaller than 4G. I think the Hammond 11L, since it has a little bit bigger cup, would be the closest thing to a 4G from the Hammond peices.
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« Reply #2 on: Jul 09, 2012, 09:45AM »

Well, that's actually better that way. I guess I'm lookin for more like a 4g rim but with the 5g sound. A bach 4G has a bigger rim, and a bigger cup, or at least I feel like it does. I like the sound I get with the 5G, but it's just feeling a bit cramped, and I have trouble getting pedal notes out.

I also have a G&W euros, and inside of that is like a cave, and just doesn't work for me.
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« Reply #3 on: Jul 09, 2012, 05:19PM »

Greg Black makes a variant of every rim size with a 5G cup, for example, their New York 5.5 is a 4g sized rim with a 5g cup.  I prefer the 5g cup, but a much larger rim, so I play a Greg Black New York 1.5M.
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« Reply #4 on: Jul 09, 2012, 08:43PM »

Greg makes a 4G-5G that gives you more space on the rim with the 5G cup. I have one and it really opened up  my low range without sacrificing  the 5G sound.
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 10, 2012, 03:18AM »

I have a Laskey 59MD and a 59D, both fine mouthpieces, but for me the rims are just too sharp and cut my lips. After playing a Monette TT4L LW for years I'm playing on a Rath L4 now which I like a lot.

I've heard excellent things about the Hammond 11ML - L and Greg Black 4G-5G. I would love to try them sometime but I don't like to get in the mouthpiece game too much.
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« Reply #6 on: Jul 10, 2012, 07:13AM »

Hmm... rim bite is definitely something to think about.  Also, does anyone know if the the Black 5G is the same relative "size" as a Bach 5G? On paper the specs for the Black 5G is 25.8mm, which is almost the same as the 4G.  Though, at that point, it's almost splitting hairs.

The Hammond though is actually interesting me more at this point. I've heard so many people rave about them, and one of the guys I play with just got an 11L and LOVES it when compared to his Black 5G.
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 10, 2012, 11:54AM »

Greg 5G feels pretty similar size-wise to a Bach 5G.  Personally I like the Greg 4.5G-5G, which for me feels just that teensy step bigger in the rim as compared to both the Greg and Vincent 5G, while keeping the 5G cup depth.

Have tried many a 5Gish-sized mpc, including Laskeys, Hammonds, Bachs, Shireses, and Blacks.  For me, something about the feel of the Laskey/Hammond prevents me from getting the orchestral sound I want.  If I were primarily playing commercially I might jump all over a Hammond or a Shires Vintage, but for my sound concept, it's Mr. Black all the way.
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 10, 2012, 12:45PM »

Have tried many a 5Gish-sized mpc, including Laskeys, Hammonds, Bachs, Shireses, and Blacks.  For me, something about the feel of the Laskey/Hammond prevents me from getting the orchestral sound I want.  If I were primarily playing commercially I might jump all over a Hammond or a Shires Vintage, but for my sound concept, it's Mr. Black all the way.
  Is the sound not "deep" enough or too bright? Or maybe too warm? I know that that cup shape profile is one of the big differences between mouthpiece lines.

Of course, I live like 30 minutes from Greg Black. I could probably schedule an appointment to go look at some mpcs.  Probably the 4g-5g and the New York 5.5.
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 10, 2012, 05:43PM »

I've tried the Greg Black (my main mpc for .547 playing for the last several years) back to back with the Hammond a couple times.  Both are excellent mouthpieces.  It seemed to me that the Greg Black favored breadth of sound and the Hammond favored clarity of articulation.  Haven't tried the Laskey.
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« Reply #10 on: Jul 14, 2012, 10:09AM »

Well, went down this morning with my Kanstul 1570, and a Bach 5G, Faxx 5G, Yamaha 5lC4, Bach 5GMT, and G&W Euros.  Tried out a shilke 51 and 51D, but the D didn't feel right, and the 51 honestly is so close to a 5G, to me anyway, that it didn't matter. They didn't have any Hammond 59MDs, but they did have a Laskey 11ML, so I tried that out for about an hour, swapping back and forth.

It does seem to favor a clear articulation. Also, even though the cup is a bit wider than a 5G, I had a lot more ease playing the high end, and it was a bit more clear sounding, which is a problem I've had. I can hit the high notes but they don't have the same edge that trombone has in the lower registers.

So, the 11ML has come home with me, and I'll play around iwth it on my 1570 and 42T and make sure it's a keeper.
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MPCS: Faxx 7C, Hammond 11ML, Laskey 59MD, Laskey 85MD.
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 21, 2012, 09:40AM »

UPdate: just picked up a slightly used Laskey 59MD from the classifieds. Time for some serious comparisons. They do play different, and they have very different weight distributions. this will require more study.

High range is a bit more fatiguing, but I'm also out of shape from playing bass bone. I do get clearer high notes on both the laskey and the hammond though. With the bach 5G and variants it was high but had a kind of muffled timbre. These do not.
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Horns: Bach 39, King 3B, Yamaha YSL-640, Bach 42T, Kanstul 1570CR, Kanstul 1588CR, Yamaha YBL-612RII
MPCS: Faxx 7C, Hammond 11ML, Laskey 59MD, Laskey 85MD.
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