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« Reply #1100 on: Mar 05, 2017, 08:11AM »

Tangentially related, I tried out a 2RVE 8" bell at the factory, with a 525 slide and I absolutely loved it.
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« Reply #1101 on: Mar 05, 2017, 12:35PM »

Tangentially related, I tried out a 2RVE 8" bell at the factory, with a 525 slide and I absolutely loved it.

Me too. My go-to horn, all other things being equal.

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P.S. Or the same bell in 8.5 size. A little more...dispersed. In a good way. Fills the room more than coming off the back wall.
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« Reply #1102 on: Mar 05, 2017, 01:34PM »

Me too. My go-to horn, all other things being equal.

S.

P.S. Or the same bell in 8.5 size. A little more...dispersed. In a good way. Fills the room more than coming off the back wall.

I was looking for a horn to ride the line between 1/2nd symphonic tenor and 2/3rd jazz tenor... hence the 8" bell.

If it were just for sym. I'd go 8.5 no questions.
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« Reply #1103 on: Mar 06, 2017, 05:50AM »

I'm on the Bollinger Bell, independent trubore valves, yellow B tuning slide, dual bore yellow slide with nickel crook, using a #2 leadpipe.

It wasn't clear to me that you were playing bass trombone earlier.  There is no "TX" tuning slide for bass and you already are on the more focused feeling "B" tuning slide.

Aside from practice and/or mouthpiece, which sounds like the route/s you are sticking with for now, I might consider a slightly more focused leadpipe, either a B1.5 or B1.5L, or a single bore slide.  If you continue to have issues in a few months speak to your teacher and then give us a shout, I'm sure we can find something that will help.

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« Reply #1104 on: Mar 06, 2017, 05:54AM »

Hi Guys,

I'm Nicholas, Trombone specialist at Long & McQuade in Toronto. I double checked the bell I think we're talking about and it is in fact a
2RVE 7.75. Double checking the measurement it is in fact 7.75". Feels a little to small for an orchestral sized horn but for someone going for a smaller setup it feels like a great bell!




Hello Nicholas,

If it ends in 7.75 I can only assume this is a small bore bell (I am not aware of any large/medium bells smaller, though Gabe might be able to comment further).  If the bell code begins with an "S" prefix, it definitely is (S 2RVE 7.75).  Please get in touch with us at the shop if there are any questions and we can clarify there before posting anything else here.

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« Reply #1105 on: Mar 06, 2017, 05:57AM »

Tangentially related, I tried out a 2RVE 8" bell at the factory, with a 525 slide and I absolutely loved it.
Me too. My go-to horn, all other things being equal.

S.

P.S. Or the same bell in 8.5 size. A little more...dispersed. In a good way. Fills the room more than coming off the back wall.

This has been the most popular medium bore trombone set-up in the years I've been here.  It just plain works.  Colorful, rich, flexible, malleable. 

I personally use the T25NLW slide with larger shank receiver and 8.5" 2RVE bell often as well. 

Ken Thompkins will be using a 2RVE 8 this week as he solos at the ATW, should you get a chance to hear him.  Highly recommended!

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« Reply #1106 on: Mar 06, 2017, 06:52AM »

JSBassTrb what mouthpiece are you currently using?
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« Reply #1107 on: Mar 06, 2017, 07:45AM »

Hello Nicholas,

If it ends in 7.75 I can only assume this is a small bore bell (I am not aware of any large/medium bells smaller, though Gabe might be able to comment further).  If the bell code begins with an "S" prefix, it definitely is (S 2RVE 7.75).  Please get in touch with us at the shop if there are any questions and we can clarify there before posting anything else here.

Cheers,
Ben

Hi Guys,

That bell goes way back to the very first days of small bore instruments that we carried. The first few examples were modular as well as fixed. At least that's how I remember that one.

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« Reply #1108 on: Mar 06, 2017, 04:16PM »

It wasn't clear to me that you were playing bass trombone earlier.  There is no "TX" tuning slide for bass and you already are on the more focused feeling "B" tuning slide.

Aside from practice and/or mouthpiece, which sounds like the route/s you are sticking with for now, I might consider a slightly more focused leadpipe, either a B1.5 or B1.5L, or a single bore slide.  If you continue to have issues in a few months speak to your teacher and then give us a shout, I'm sure we can find something that will help.

Ben

Sorry about that - I should've made it clear!

I did pick up a single bore slide with a 1.5L leadpipe, and while maybe some stuff such as high range was slightly easier, I just couldn't get the sound I wanted on it. I have since switched back to the dual bore. I'll give the single another try though.
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« Reply #1109 on: Mar 06, 2017, 08:52PM »

Ben,

I have a worn ball-end linkage rod on my Shores rotor valve. Is this something I can order myself or do I have to do it trough an authorized tech and pay for his time, mark-up and $140 in gas to drive to where he is to drop it off and again to pick it up? I have no issue going to my 'local' tech for things I'm not able to do, but I can assure you, I can handle this one myself.
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« Reply #1110 on: Mar 07, 2017, 06:11AM »

Ben,

I have a worn ball-end linkage rod on my Shores rotor valve. Is this something I can order myself or do I have to do it trough an authorized tech and pay for his time, mark-up and $140 in gas to drive to where he is to drop it off and again to pick it up? I have no issue going to my 'local' tech for things I'm not able to do, but I can assure you, I can handle this one myself.

Please conteact me directly at ben@seshires.com and we'll be glad to help.

We do sell some of our repair/replacement parts directly to the public.  Depending on what someone is requesting, we will recommend that they consult with a tech first, especially if they are hoping a specific tech will do the work.  This is mainly to make sure that the correct parts are ordered.  Techs will often have parts on hand or might have other suggestions not previously considered.  If a customer insists it's caveat emptor, as most part sales are final. 

Bill O's request is a different, more simple case, but I wanted to use this public request/occasion to put the general information out there.  For specific requests you can also always contact me at ben@seshires.com

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« Reply #1111 on: Mar 07, 2017, 06:42AM »

Sorry about that - I should've made it clear!

I did pick up a single bore slide with a 1.5L leadpipe, and while maybe some stuff such as high range was slightly easier, I just couldn't get the sound I wanted on it. I have since switched back to the dual bore. I'll give the single another try though.

What kind of sound are you looking for? What's missing? Are you trying to emulate anyone else's sound?
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« Reply #1112 on: Mar 08, 2017, 10:21AM »

Depth and core to the upper register. To your earlier question, I'm on a 1-1/2G right now. Not necessarily anyone else's, just what I hear in my head as my sound.
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« Reply #1113 on: Mar 11, 2017, 09:23PM »

Starting to see nickel silver tuning slides out there.  What sound/playing characteristics does this bring to the table? 
Interested to know hhow the nickel silver tuning slide with affect the sound, etc. in general.

Thanks!!
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« Reply #1114 on: Mar 13, 2017, 05:45AM »

Starting to see nickel silver tuning slides out there.  What sound/playing characteristics does this bring to the table? 
Interested to know hhow the nickel silver tuning slide with affect the sound, etc. in general.

Thanks!!

Nickel tuning slides generally give more point to the articulation and more brilliance to the sound.  They sacrifice a little bit in terms of warmth and/or lover overtones.  Currently, nickel tuning slides are a custom order option only. 

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« Reply #1115 on: Mar 17, 2017, 04:57AM »

What would the "M" in a: 'B2.5 SSM' leadpipe stand for?
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« Reply #1116 on: Mar 17, 2017, 06:09AM »

What would the "M" in a: 'B2.5 SSM' leadpipe stand for?

Hi Matt,

I actually have no idea!  Could be a few different things: could've been a pipe we did for someone specific and they asked for the "M".  Could be a pipe length in between a standard SS pipe (9 3/4") and a short SS pipe (8 3/4").  Those would be my guesses.  If I find our more I will let you know.

Good to see you at ATW, sorry we didn't get to talk more.

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« Reply #1117 on: Mar 17, 2017, 02:43PM »

Hi Ben,

I am still looking around how to do my superbone project. I found a maker who is willing to do, but I can use some shires part...so here it is:

I am looking for .500 , .508 or double bore configuration of the two. I am looking for a sound somewhere between the King 3B and David Steinmeyer's Martin. Let me know what kind of bell section (yellow or gold brass, basically for small jazz/funk/latin groups and slide/leadpipe would you recommend. I will need the bell to be with removable braces so I can use a second bell in copper or red brass with larger flare for classical gigs (small ensembles).
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« Reply #1118 on: Mar 17, 2017, 05:31PM »

Hi Matt,

I actually have no idea!  Could be a few different things: could've been a pipe we did for someone specific and they asked for the "M".  Could be a pipe length in between a standard SS pipe (9 3/4") and a short SS pipe (8 3/4").  Those would be my guesses.  If I find our more I will let you know.

Good to see you at ATW, sorry we didn't get to talk more.

Ben

Hey Ben,

Thanks for the feedback, anytime I see one of the sterling ones I give it consideration because they seem to work really well for me. One of these days when I pay off my student loan debt I'm going to have to go up there to have a custom set made  :D

And no worries, you were busy! Busy is good! I actually ran into some people I went to school with so I left the showroom after I had tried out everything I had set out to try! It confirmed my suspicion that I'm probably better of on a 562/562 slide for the bass stuff. I converted that Edwards slide you sold me into 547/562 with a spare set of Yamaha tubes I had sitting around. Its fine for the time being but I think the first thing I'll be doing when I get those loans paid off is a celebratory B62LW  Good!
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« Reply #1119 on: Mar 17, 2017, 06:01PM »

If it helps narrow it down, it apparently used to belong to Matthew Guilford.
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