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« on: Jul 17, 2015, 09:26AM »

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I am a guy who just bought a throja weite3 tenor trombone with traditional wrap and I notice Mr Olaf ott use Tilz 214-6 1/2 AS mouthpiece. So I decide to buy a Tilz mouthpiece too. But as 6 1/2 is a bit too small for me, I think 214-5GE and 214-5GT will fit me better.but I have a question that what does GE GT AS mean? And I also notice there is a 305 Series, what is the difference between 305 and 214?
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 17, 2015, 02:42PM »

Tilz is probably the only mouthpiece maker that is even more confusing than Marcinkiewicz, you've gotten yourself into deep waters here. If you want to play a German mouthpiece, try a Josef Klier, much more understandable as far as rim diameter and depth. Otherwise, contact Tilz and tell us afterwards what everything means.
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« Reply #2 on: Jul 17, 2015, 03:06PM »

"214 special Bruno Tilz" have flat curved rims and "305 B. TILZ - NEA" have well rounded  rims.
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« Reply #3 on: Jul 17, 2015, 03:15PM »

"214 special Bruno Tilz" have flat curved rims and "305 B. TILZ - NEA" have well rounded  rims.

Yes!

I have a 214, it's the most comfortable rim I've used.  Flat, but with a soft inner bite.  It's quite nice feeling.  I might have the rim copied on a mouthpiece I like more :-p
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« Reply #4 on: Jul 17, 2015, 05:48PM »

Tilz is probably the only mouthpiece maker that is even more confusing than Marcinkiewicz, you've gotten yourself into deep waters here. If you want to play a German mouthpiece, try a Josef Klier, much more understandable as far as rim diameter and depth. Otherwise, contact Tilz and tell us afterwards what everything means.
Fine,I just sent an email to Tilz to know more information about it. But I am curious that will a American style mp (my Greg Black ) work well/sound well on the Traditional German trombone ( such Throja weite3 tenor )? :)
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 18, 2015, 01:42AM »

here the link to the threat about my visit to Mr. Bruno Tilz.

http://tromboneforum.org/index.php/topic,84319.0.html
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« Reply #6 on: Jul 19, 2015, 02:43AM »

A mouthpiece that works on the horn works. I have been looking recently at weite 3 and 2 throjas with my klier which I use on my bach with no issues. The bass trombonist next to me plays a throja bass witha griego gp... it sounds good. Find the mouthpiece that suits you and the horn. It really doesn't matter where it comes from in my opinion.
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 19, 2015, 06:59AM »

here the link to the threat about my visit to Mr. Bruno Tilz.

http://tromboneforum.org/index.php/topic,84319.0.html
thanks!besides do you know what it prof.daum model? Is it has a flat rim? Is it a large shank one?
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 19, 2015, 10:31AM »

i do not know about the Daum rims but you can order all models in 3 shank size
When ordering please specify the shaft diameter with
1 = (Bach 36)
2 = (baritone or old german trombone shank)
3 = (Bach 42)
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 19, 2015, 10:56AM »

take also a look on this site. These are the Daum mouthpieces from Tilz. You must click
"Tenorposaune" on the left site of the page.Sorry I found this site only in german,
perhaps you can translate it.

http://crescendo.jimdo.com/mundst%C3%BCcke/

perhaps this translation works

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcrescendo.jimdo.com%2Fmundst%25C3%25BCcke%2Ftenorposaune%2F&edit-text=&act=url
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« Reply #10 on: Jul 19, 2015, 05:43PM »

From memory the Daum mouthpieces are quite rounded. I can get my hands on one in the next two days and confirm that.
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 20, 2015, 04:29AM »

Yep. Just found a small shank Daum C1. It is rounded and feels comfortable. Not to my taste but still comfortable.
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 20, 2015, 06:14AM »

Yep. Just found a small shank Daum C1. It is rounded and feels comfortable. Not to my taste but still comfortable.
Thanks a lot!!!! But will the rim 315 and Daum as round as a Greg Balck one? I prefer a flat rim like Denis wicků
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« Reply #13 on: Jul 20, 2015, 10:06AM »

Thanks a lot!!!! But will the rim 315 and Daum as round as a Greg Balck one? I prefer a flat rim like Denis wicků
I think Mr. Tilz will make you that kind of rim you want. Perhaps take the flatter "214 Bruno Tilz Spezial" rim as special order. Write an email to him.
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« Reply #14 on: Jul 22, 2015, 01:39AM »

"214 special Bruno Tilz" have flat curved rims and "305 B. TILZ - NEA" have well rounded  rims.

What about 92 - Bako?

what is the difference between 305, 214 and 92? 
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« Reply #15 on: Jul 22, 2015, 04:53AM »

difference between the 214 and the 305 serie is only the rim.
I don,t know anything about 92 - Bako
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« Reply #16 on: Jul 22, 2015, 05:26AM »

Bako 92 is a copy of Mt.Vernon Bach.
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« Reply #17 on: Jul 23, 2015, 09:15AM »

 
Bako 92 is a copy of Mt.Vernon Bach.

Thank you.

So copy of the Mt. Vernon Bach is making not only Faxx.
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« Reply #18 on: Jul 23, 2015, 10:47AM »


Thank you.

So copy of the Mt. Vernon Bach is making not only Faxx.

J. Klier also makes them.  Although, the one I had was made with a longer shank than what Bach mouthpieces I've seen.  I had to have Scotty Holbert turn it down on his lathe.
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