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« on: Mar 25, 2017, 05:27PM »

This is a very problematic note for me and is close to the threshold of my usable range (about a C). Do you guys have any tips for getting the Bb speak better?

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« Reply #1 on: Mar 25, 2017, 05:41PM »

This is a good high register exercise:

http://tromboneforum.org/index.php/topic,62067.0.html
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« Reply #2 on: Mar 25, 2017, 05:46PM »

I will definitely use that exercise, but also does anyone have any tips specifically for Bb? Because I find A and B more easy to get to speak than the Bb itself
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« Reply #3 on: Mar 25, 2017, 06:17PM »

Same here.

On my small Bachs the Bb is flat and I can't raise it.  So if it's longish, I play it in a flattish 3.  If yours in 1 is out of tune, your chops may fight your horn. 

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« Reply #4 on: Mar 25, 2017, 06:24PM »

I will definitely use that exercise, but also does anyone have any tips specifically for Bb? Because I find A and B more easy to get to speak than the Bb itself

I'm playing 14 months now and can't consistently hit a Bb either...My instructor tells me I'm doing fine and keep at it...I like the Upper register exercise in the Hip Bone 15 minute warm up....You start in the 7th position slurring all the notes. Play 1/4 notes starting with E,G#,B, ending with a dotted 1/2 note at E...Then you descend the same notes with 1/4 notes again ending with the dotted 1/2 E ...move to the 6th position playing the same interval of notes starting at F ending at F, continue this pattern all the way to the dreaded 1st positon to Bb... Hope this helps...
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« Reply #5 on: Mar 25, 2017, 06:40PM »

Nanook, that is the Remington "Security in the Upper Register" exercise (#8).  It's a GREAT exercise to use to build the range.  Remember, if you flub a note three times, stop for the day and don't try it the next day.  You can try again 2 days later.

High range is a long slog and you need to keep working at it to get it.
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« Reply #6 on: Mar 25, 2017, 06:43PM »

Nanook, that is the Remington "Security in the Upper Register" exercise (#8).  It's a GREAT exercise to use to build the range.  Remember, if you flub a note three times, stop for the day and don't try it the next day.  You can try again 2 days later.

High range is a long slog and you need to keep working at it to get it.

Thanks for the tip and the encouragement....
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 26, 2017, 04:05AM »

The best exercises for me where found in this book https://www.amazon.com/Original-Louis-Maggio-System-Brass/dp/B000729MB4

You might be able to get your local library to get a copy in to look at before shelling out for it.
Very simple concept but it worked a treat for me. A great many of the old Hollywood studio guys were Maggio students.

Others may recommend Carmine Caruso exercises which are also very good.
There is a great FREE !!!  resource for those here:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/julielandsman/index.html

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Good Luck !!


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« Reply #8 on: Mar 26, 2017, 05:50AM »

The best exercises for me where found in this book https://www.amazon.com/Original-Louis-Maggio-System-Brass/dp/B000729MB4

You might be able to get your local library to get a copy in to look at before shelling out for it.
Very simple concept but it worked a treat for me. A great many of the old Hollywood studio guys were Maggio students.

Others may recommend Carmine Caruso exercises which are also very good.
There is a great FREE !!!  resource for those here:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/julielandsman/index.html

FWIW

Good Luck !!


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Maggio!!   Good!



Also have you had anyone else try your horn? it could be just a duff note....does it speak in 3rd?
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 26, 2017, 08:08AM »


Maggio!!   Good!



Also have you had anyone else try your horn? it could be just a duff note....does it speak in 3rd?


It's just me as a player I have the problem on any horn I've tried
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 26, 2017, 08:19AM »

This is a very problematic note for me and is close to the threshold of my usable range (about a C). Do you guys have any tips for getting the Bb speak better?

Thanks

To me it sounds like a high range problem. If not then it could be you tune your instrument flat. I've heard people have a problem with the Bb being flat but I have never had a trombone with a too flat Bb. I guess it's because I use long positions. Most do. No tone is in closed position except the high d.   . If you play long positions you can then fine-tune and adjust to any trombone with practice. The problem for me is sometines seventh position because it is far out on the slide.

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« Reply #11 on: Mar 26, 2017, 09:04AM »

On my T-396A the Bb consistently double buzzes. I put in a couple pillars and the note is solid now, along with the whole horn up to F5.
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