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« Reply #180 on: May 12, 2017, 07:58AM »

I definitely have noticed the distance thing with the 8 inch bell - Really only when I need to trim my fingernails!  :-P

Right now, I'm favoring the 8 in. bronze bell, believe it or not.  I did a 5-month cruise contract (December 7 to April 30), and only brought my 8 in yellow .022 and unsoldered 7.5 yellow .022 flares.  After getting adjusted to the horn, I found those to be a little light in the end. BUT, I only discovered this after I got home to my bronze flare (which was the one I settled on when I went to Roy's shop - funny how that works, eh?).  Anyway, I've also picked up a Kanstul 'S' leadpipe, which is working VERY well, though I'm still swapping off with the H6.  I'm on another cruise gig now (Queen Mary 2 dance band) and I'm quite happy with my current setup (.025 all yellow stem section with 8 in. .025 bronze flare, all nickel .500 slide, Kanstul S & H6 leadipes and a very early Bach New York 11C mouthpiece). I might have Roy put a brass crook on my slide this summer. I mentioned earlier in this thread when I first visited the shop that I found the vibrato to be more pronounced on the brass than the nickel. I think that'd be a good tweak for me.

I'm hoping to meet up soon with Alex Jeun, another Lawler player from NYC, to have a little Lawler party.  I'd like to try his all-brass slide to see if that might be a direction I want to go. He's ordered a carbon fibre outer slide from Butler as well! Who knows? Might do that too....  Don't know

All in all, I have been thrilled with my horn.  Simply put, I can do things on it that I haven't been able to do on my other horns.  Adjusting to it has taught me to be a more efficient player while at the same time giving me an added level of confidence that what is coming out of the bell is more & more musical.   

Oh, and P.S.  I sent my unsoldered-rim 7.5 yellow .022 to Kanstul for silver plating. Mostly just for kicks, but I think it'll be a nice, zingy contrast to the others I have. And I betcha it'll look cool, too!  Good!
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« Reply #181 on: May 12, 2017, 08:48AM »


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When you're going to meet Alex, let me know. I work with him a lot and he sounds even better now that he's playing the Lawler. I am interested in the horns. We work together but I have never had a chance to actually play his Lawler stuff because I don't like to confuse my chops on a gig. I'd like to join you.

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P.S. Alex has all of my contact info.
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« Reply #182 on: May 12, 2017, 03:49PM »

When you're going to meet Alex, let me know. I work with him a lot and he sounds even better now that he's playing the Lawler. I am interested in the horns. We work together but I have never had a chance to actually play his Lawler stuff because I don't like to confuse my chops on a gig. I'd like to join you.
I'm doing the Southampton - New York run on the Queen Mary 2, and I have just a few visits to NY.  We'll be at Red Hook, Brooklyn on Monday, but we have a coast guard inspection/drill and my shore time will be very limited. I'm looking at having Alex visit on Wed. May 31st aboard the ship.  I won't be able to get off the ship that day (port manning duty), but I can have up to four visitors. You can eat for free, and we should be able to get a nice big room to play in. Get in touch with Alex -- I'll need passport info and address, but you can pool that with Alex.
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« Reply #183 on: May 13, 2017, 06:13AM »



We work together but I have never had a chance to actually play his Lawler stuff because I don't like to confuse my chops on a gig. I'd like to join you.

Later...

Sam



That made me laugh. As great a player as you are Sam, I find it hard to believe that your chops would get confused! Seriously though, I know what you mean, but I suspect they'd be delightfully confused, if only for a while. ;-)
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« Reply #184 on: May 13, 2017, 09:48AM »

That made me laugh. As great a player as you are Sam, I find it hard to believe that your chops would get confused! Seriously though, I know what you mean, but I suspect they'd be delightfully confused, if only for a while. ;-)

You have no idea...

It's the doubling thing, I think. I play so many rims on a regular basis...from 12C right on down to large tuba...that unless I am playing the same m'pce and performing the same general function (Idiomatically and in terms of volumes and ranges) day after day after day, whatever my balance may be on a gig can be drastically confused by messing around with other m'pces. I save that for the occasional no-pressure rehearsal and of course practicing at home.

So it goes...

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« Reply #185 on: May 15, 2017, 11:35AM »

One question/issue for others with a current Lawler - do you find the distance between the slide and bell (especially with an 8" flare) closer than other instruments you play? I had to adjust my right hand position somewhat to avoid bumping the bell as I play - I've adjusted now and it only happens rarely.

Also - Roy has posted his recommended set-up on his website - he endorses an all yellow brass configuration there. I'm very happy with my current set-up... but I was just curious if others have come across this on his site.

Regarding the distance from the bell and slide - yes - I had to learn to adjust my right hand grip ever so slightly. I figured he uses the smaller flares when measuring the gap between the flare rim and slide. Not a big deal really, just something to get used to.

And as far as the all brass setup, I liked it for the complete bell section over having a nickel gooseneck. Something about it spoke more for me than the other.
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« Reply #186 on: May 15, 2017, 03:32PM »

Talked to Alex last week too...I still have my Lawler which I love, but I've been rocking the Wayne Andre conn 6H bell I have with a new Butler carbon fiber slide and the Lawler 15 leadpipe...maybe everyone can try everything out! Think I'll be home May 31st if you end up having an extra visitor slot.

I'm touring with a pop country band out of Nashville this summer so hoping to take a few trips to Roy's shop and try out some new stuff...I really want him to put an f Attachment on a .508 horn for me.... ;-))))

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« Reply #187 on: May 16, 2017, 04:57AM »

One minor question - what number is stamped on the bottom of your slide hand grip? Mine is 16.

Not sure what the significance is for this number?

Just curious...
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« Reply #188 on: May 16, 2017, 08:16AM »

I'm touring with a pop country band out of Nashville this summer so hoping to take a few trips to Roy's shop and try out some new stuff...I really want him to put an f Attachment on a .508 horn for me.... ;-))))

Hoping for a .525 with an F attachment myself. Even requested it to Roy and all that was said was that he was looking into it. Would love to see that come to fruition one day.
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« Reply #189 on: May 16, 2017, 02:52PM »

Hoping for a .525 with an F attachment myself. Even requested it to Roy and all that was said was that he was looking into it. Would love to see that come to fruition one day.
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« Reply #190 on: May 16, 2017, 02:54PM »

One minor question - what number is stamped on the bottom of your slide hand grip? Mine is 16.

Not sure what the significance is for this number?

Just curious...
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Mine is stamped 16 too. I don't know what it means. Probably a parts numbering system that Roy uses.

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« Reply #191 on: May 16, 2017, 04:34PM »

Mine is also stamped '16'  Don't know I started to think maybe it stands for the year it was built, but didn't you get yours in 2015, Scott?

I switched to the gold 7 3/4 for one set last night.  No go.  Went back to the bronze.  It sounds killer with the tenor sax player next to me. Gutsy & punchy, yet smooth and creamy when I need it to be.
I'm sticking mostly with the Kanstul S pipe as well.  I need to try the W6 at some point.  Apparently it's the same size venturi, just a different placement. (Maybe a different length, too?). I do find some leadpipes (including the S)  difficult to get in and out of the slide. I use a wrench, and it's eating up the knurling on the ring.

Ray, I should be able to get you on the ship on the 31st. Talk to Alex about it - He knows what information I need to put in the request.  I'll need that by the 27th at the very latest.  I can't guarantee 100% we'll have an open room the whole time, but we should be able to find a spot. It's one thing to have a chat, it's another thing to have three or four strong trombone players all going to town at once!
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« Reply #192 on: May 17, 2017, 12:12PM »

Mine is also stamped '16'  Don't know I started to think maybe it stands for the year it was built, but didn't you get yours in 2015, Scott?

I switched to the gold 7 3/4 for one set last night.  No go.  Went back to the bronze.  It sounds killer with the tenor sax player next to me. Gutsy & punchy, yet smooth and creamy when I need it to be.
I'm sticking mostly with the Kanstul S pipe as well.  I need to try the W6 at some point.  Apparently it's the same size venturi, just a different placement. (Maybe a different length, too?). I do find some leadpipes (including the S)  difficult to get in and out of the slide. I use a wrench, and it's eating up the knurling on the ring.

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He already uses a date stamp for the serial number so I kind of doubt it, but I'll ask him next time I speak with him. I used the "S" pipe in my Kanstul 1606 until I tried the "H6" and that's what I use in it all of the time, though I rarely play the Kanstul anymore. Both the "S" and "H6" were too tight for me in my Lawler so that's how I settled on the "W6" and am very satisfied with that set-up. And yes, the "W6" is a tad shorter than the "S".

I also sent my huge collection of leadpipes to Merlin Grady, repairman extraordinaire, and had him straighten all of them on the lathe. It makes a difference, because there is no chance of torquing the tube and throwing the alignment off. I'd suggest removing a bit of material so the pipe isn't so tight.

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« Reply #193 on: Jun 09, 2017, 06:07PM »

I've been in Nashville a lot working lately, so yesterday with a day off I finally made it to Roy's shop and met the man in person! Wow. He is truly a humble, kind, thoughtful person and his wife Tysh is so great.  I had a great couple of hours with them!

First of all it's clear that he is truly a master craftman! His shop is beautiful and unpretentious. It is about hand made quality over quantity or marketing scheme. He really is doing something else...he repaired my yellow brass flare for me which came out of alignment. He didn't have that many demos to try as everything he made is shipping out this week and he's going on vacation...but I was able to try a few variations.

I've been playing on 8 inch bells exclusively the last four years and had asked Roy to make me an 8 inch red brass with a standard beaded rim like a Bach would have. He made that for me and I loved it...but he also suggested I try a 7.5 inch Red Brass with the Bach rim he also made that week...I was skeptical but...

Just like Sheriff's flare, I was blown away. It works so well with my stem...it's become my main bell...almost like a Mt Vernon gold brass bell with a lot more projection and some bite...I'm super happy.

F Attachment horns are in development!

I'll be working with him on a small bore horn with F Attachment. I think with the right flare choice we can get something that far surpasses the mythical Williams Model 7s and 9s...definitely leagues ahead and a versatile commercial horn!!!

Keep y'all posted!

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« Reply #194 on: Jun 10, 2017, 07:30AM »

What did Roy think of the carbon fiber slide? I've ordered mine. I haven't tried one yet, but you and Alex seem pretty happy.

Perhaps this could be offered as an option some time in the future?  Don't know
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« Reply #195 on: Jun 10, 2017, 08:20AM »

Has anyone had a Butler carbon fiber outer slide made for their Lawler? If so, did the inner slide braces have to be re-soldered to fit, as Dave Butler indicates? I'm interested in the carbon slide, but don't think I want to modify the inner slide assembly.

I've had my Lawler now for three months and am really loving it. Not above doing some tweaking however.

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« Reply #196 on: Jun 10, 2017, 11:27AM »

My Butler Slide made for my Conn set up fits on the lawler .500 perfectly but is a few inches longer...so even with the tuning slide in all the way it still plays a bit under pitch...I used it on a gig last night and it was great but some pitch issues.

Our friend Alex had a Butler outer slide made for his Lawler and he is enjoying it apparently.

Roy liked the idea of it and didn't notice much of a difference in the sound of his horn. Roy has lightened the design of his slides a bit, and compared to normal slides they are fast and light, brass one is comparative to a nickel Bach slide, but they are still heavy compared to Butler's slides.

I will be ordering an outer slide for my Lawler which will be especially helpful given its durability while traveling.

I doubt a collaboration between the two is possible but both Roy and David are making superior products.

I must say my horn looks like a science project...carbon fiber slide nickel neck pipe yellow brass stem and red brass flare...hahabut it's amazing!!!
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« Reply #197 on: Jun 10, 2017, 01:53PM »

Don,
I'm quite certain that Roy's .500 slides are all exactly the same.  Alex Jeun's brass outer slide fit right onto my inner slide, and mine to his.  Alex has his Butler outer slide already, and I've ordered one using his measurements.  If you want one, just tell David to use Alex's measurements, but be sure to send a picture of your slide lock in relation to the slide crossbar/grip.  This was the only difference in our outer slides. (his was slightly lower)

I'm excited to get mine!

And Ray, mine will look like a science project too!  I should have my newly silver-plated 7.5 flare back from Kanstul soon! So - black slide, brushed brass bell section and silver flare! Ka-razyyyy!  :-0
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« Reply #198 on: Jun 11, 2017, 06:29AM »

Thanks for the info, Dave!

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« Reply #199 on: Jun 12, 2017, 07:07AM »

I've been in Nashville a lot working lately, so yesterday with a day off I finally made it to Roy's shop and met the man in person! Wow. He is truly a humble, kind, thoughtful person and his wife Tysh is so great.  I had a great couple of hours with them!

First of all it's clear that he is truly a master craftman! His shop is beautiful and unpretentious. It is about hand made quality over quantity or marketing scheme. He really is doing something else...he repaired my yellow brass flare for me which came out of alignment. He didn't have that many demos to try as everything he made is shipping out this week and he's going on vacation...but I was able to try a few variations.

I've been playing on 8 inch bells exclusively the last four years and had asked Roy to make me an 8 inch red brass with a standard beaded rim like a Bach would have. He made that for me and I loved it...but he also suggested I try a 7.5 inch Red Brass with the Bach rim he also made that week...I was skeptical but...

Just like Sheriff's flare, I was blown away. It works so well with my stem...it's become my main bell...almost like a Mt Vernon gold brass bell with a lot more projection and some bite...I'm super happy.

F Attachment horns are in development!

I'll be working with him on a small bore horn with F Attachment. I think with the right flare choice we can get something that far surpasses the mythical Williams Model 7s and 9s...definitely leagues ahead and a versatile commercial horn!!!

Keep y'all posted!

-RJM


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I'm glad you had a chance to meet Roy and Tysh; they're the best! Roy is on a roll and I'm anxious to try his .525 f-att when it's ready. He is making me a lightweight brass slide with nickel crook. I'm glad he's offering lighter tubes now as an option. Glad you like your new 7.5" flare!

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