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Question: What candidate do you think will be our next president? This is not a question about who you support, but rather who you think will win. Candidates listed in alphabetical order of last name.
Hillary Clinton - 36 (50.7%)
Ted Cruz - 4 (5.6%)
Bernie Sanders - 14 (19.7%)
Donald Trump - 17 (23.9%)
Total Voters: 70

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« Reply #40 on: Apr 08, 2016, 05:37AM »

That sounds more like a Barnum and Bailey quote.  :D
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« Reply #41 on: Apr 08, 2016, 06:54AM »

I've read that the "You can fool..." quote can't be clearly linked to Lincoln and that it only surfaced 50 years later as a recollection by someone who had heard him speak.

However, a version of that saying appears in French a couple hundred years earlier. 
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« Reply #42 on: Apr 08, 2016, 09:22AM »

Barnum said "There's a sucker born every minute".

I would totally believe that Lincoln had read of the earlier version and just found it fit what he was trying to get across.  I'd also believe that he didn't say it.  But it's a great saw anyway.
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« Reply #43 on: Apr 08, 2016, 09:41AM »

I'd rather wait until there are actually 2 candidates to choose from.
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« Reply #44 on: Apr 08, 2016, 09:44AM »

I'd rather wait until there are actually 2 candidates to choose from.

You may be waiting until 2020.  This year there may be three. ;-)
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« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2016, 08:10AM »

Well, the question was, "what candidate do you THINK...".
I am NOT voting for Hillary Rodham Peron in November, but that's who I think will win.
That woman is in DESPERATE need of lessons in elocution.  Her voice when she gets strident goes WAY beyond fingernails on the chalkboard and strangled cats. I change the station when I hear her campaign rants on TV or radio. If she happens to be on NPR, I change it faster than I do when it's pledge week.
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« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2016, 08:44AM »

Well, the question was, "what candidate do you THINK...".
I am NOT voting for Hillary Rodham Peron in November, but that's who I think will win.
That woman is in DESPERATE need of lessons in elocution.  Her voice when she gets strident goes WAY beyond fingernails on the chalkboard and strangled cats. I change the station when I hear her campaign rants on TV or radio. If she happens to be on NPR, I change it faster than I do when it's pledge week.


So you prefer BS Artist Trump? Evil
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« Reply #47 on: May 15, 2016, 09:25AM »

 Our friend caught Donald's show when he was in Lynden Washington last weekend. The thing that stood out for him was that Don is no spring chicken. In fact, he is 70 years of age. And, according to my friend, the grind  of the campaign was showing.
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« Reply #48 on: May 15, 2016, 09:42AM »

Hypothetical: If a candidate becomes medically unable to stand after they have collected sufficient delegates to see the other candidates off, what happens? Do they perhaps recount the delegates from all the districts with the votes for that candidate removed?
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« Reply #49 on: May 15, 2016, 09:45AM »

If a candidate becomes unable to continue before the convention, the convention is at liberty to choose anybody else.

If a candidate dies during the election period, the election continues and the vice-presidential candidate is the presidential candidate.  If the president-elect dies before he can take office, the vice-president-elect is sworn in.

We have a rather old crew of candidates and I think more than at any time in history any of these is likely.

Incidentally, if Hillary is indicted of any serious crime, she becomes ineligible.  Same for the Donald.
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« Reply #50 on: May 15, 2016, 09:53AM »

Hypothetical: If a candidate becomes medically unable to stand after they have collected sufficient delegates to see the other candidates off, what happens? Do they perhaps recount the delegates from all the districts with the votes for that candidate removed?

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If a candidate becomes unable to continue before the convention, the convention is at liberty to choose anybody else.
I don't think there is a party rule for that and there certainly is no law on that.


A responsible candidate would step aside and release his delegates to vote for someone else, but AFAIK neither party has an official mechanism for such a situation. If he has the bound delegates to win on the first ballot, he wins.

Thomas Eagleton gave up the VP nom in '72 after he was revealed to be a former psych patient but I don't think they had or now have any official way to dump a candidate like that.
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« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2016, 11:18AM »

There certainly is no law about it, but if a candidate were to become permanently incapacitated (like a stroke) or die, bound or not the delegates aren't required to vote for him.

And we don't do a "redos" on the Primaries either.  Our Election Day is set as the 2nd Tuesday in November and each party will submit a candidate.  This is a difference from Britain (and many other countries) where you can call a new election at any time.
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« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2016, 11:19AM »

I Hope that this poll is wrong.  I do believe that "bs artist Trump" can and will beat " witch Hillary".
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« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2016, 11:21AM »

I Hope that this poll is wrong.  I do believe that "bs artist Trump" can and will beat " witch Hillary".

I think the Donald has higher negatives than Evita Hillary.  That means that more people will vote for Hillary as a protest against Trump than will vote for Trump as a protest against Hillary.

It's really sad when the two most likely candidates are encumbered with so much baggage.
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« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2016, 11:26AM »

Is it BS Artist Trump or John Baron, or John Barron, or John Miller?

I'm confused, not sure who to vote for.
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« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2016, 11:33AM »

There certainly is no law about it, but if a candidate were to become permanently incapacitated (like a stroke) or die, bound or not the delegates aren't required to vote for him.

You can cite that, right?

I'm extremely doubtful that delegates are automatically released just because a candidate is reported sick.

On whose say-so would this happen?



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« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2016, 11:45AM »

There certainly is no law about it, but if a candidate were to become permanently incapacitated (like a stroke) or die, bound or not the delegates aren't required to vote for him.
I'm extremely doubtful that delegates are automatically released just because a candidate is reported sick.

Notice a slight difference between what you're arguing against and what Bruce actually posted there?
 
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« Reply #57 on: May 15, 2016, 11:57AM »

Robert Kennedy was assassinated in 1968 in the middle of the Presidential Primary race.  I'm sure his "pledged delegates" were not required to vote for him at the Convention.
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« Reply #58 on: May 15, 2016, 12:22PM »

Trump was born in 1946, and was in his early 20s during the Vietnam years. I assume he didn't serve in Vietnam. How did he manage to avoid serving?
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« Reply #59 on: May 15, 2016, 12:27PM »

Robert Kennedy was assassinated in 1968 in the middle of the Presidential Primary race.  I'm sure his "pledged delegates" were not required to vote for him at the Convention.

Most of them voted for a guy who didn't even run in the primaries; Chicago was a right mess.

Right now, my gut says Clinton, for better or worse, but one or more Wallaces in the mix could really screw things up.  Even without, there's so much sheer bipartisan hatred of both Clinton and Trump that it's impossible to anticipate what will happen.

I've not seen or heard of anything like it since, well, 1968.

Man, Nixon has never looked so good.  :-P
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