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« Reply #20 on: Jun 21, 2017, 12:41AM »


In desperation, I fixed my "classic" English teeth overbite problem by pushing my lower jaw out and holding it at the point of pain for about 5 minutes a few times a day. After a few weeks it stopped hurting and my jaw has settled into a new resting position, with my upper and lower set more aligned.
I've also had my top and bottom front teeth levelled.
No regrets about any of this, I wish that I'd done it decades ago, and the only minus is a slightly reduced lower range and weight. The plus has been a more stable attack and tone, and a much better recovery after long regular sets.

Better late than never IMO..



To the fellow who had the habit of thrusting his jaw forward --- I sympathize.  I found it to be useful, again, during my formative years, but when my jaw began making "clicking" noises and the dentist said that it would be necessary to open the joint of the jaw to scrape the channel where the two jawbones intersect to correct the problem, I immediately stopped protruding my jaw when playing.  I think it's called self preservation !


I'm not sure if you're referring to me, but if so I'd like to reaffirm that nothing but good has come from this. I have no residual pains or issues whatsoever from this, what started out as an experiment ended up as a game changer.
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« Reply #21 on: Jun 21, 2017, 04:50AM »


I'm not sure if you're referring to me, but if so I'd like to reaffirm that nothing but good has come from this. I have no residual pains or issues whatsoever from this, what started out as an experiment ended up as a game changer.

My experience was more subtle than Bob's, with the temporomandibular joint issues.  Although, now that I think on it, that joint has not been terribly well behaved for me even after reverting to my "natural" bite.

The problem was chronic use.  I spent so many hours a day with my jaw misaligned that it threw off my bite.  For players who DO adjust their jaws it is likely worth asking the dentist to check occlusion SPECIFICALLY.  If jaw shifts can be attained WITHOUT making them a habit, then no harm should come to the occlusion (matching of teeth, especially molars.)  If jaw shifts become a habit, the problem can show up years after the habit is well-set.

It is much better to keep ahead of this if you DO shift your jaw.  Last I looked, there weren't any cheap or even very effective ways of undoing damage to the temporomandibular.  And as I mentioned in my previous post, I suspect the occlusion adjustments I had to accomodate the shift, then accomodate going back, contributed to some very expensive crown work decades later.

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« Reply #22 on: Jun 21, 2017, 05:36AM »

I've made this post before, but since there is a thread dedicated to this subject:

I have had all of my front upper & lower teeth capped and re-aligned. It made an over-night difference. No, I didn't immediately start me wailing like James Morrison, but the difference was a more unified lip support and it made tone, flexibility and higher range a little easier. I believe it also impacted my endurance positively b/c I didn't have to work quite as hard to achieve the same level; possibly due to increased comfort and more consistency of play. It did not mitigate the necessity of seeking private instruction, however. lol

In the end, probably nothing takes the place of dedicated work under expert tutelage. But straight teeth can make a difference in comfort - if nothing else. And if comfort is increased, then presumably so might performance.

Anyway, I think it's safe to state that if we all had our pick of teeth structure, we would all pick even alignment over crookedness and possibly then dicker over other configurations. The only exception might be someone who - with crooked teeth - has managed to reach a very high level of play and does not want to gamble on derailment. I wouldn't blame them.

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