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« on: May 08, 2016, 08:49PM »

Some readers in this forum may find this blog post interesting. I can't seem to load the image here, but the link is below. It's a map plotting 88 examples of trombone art contained in sacred settings (churches, cathedrals, and monasteries). They are limited to Europe, pre-1800. It is not comprehensive (although I have a grant in the works that should help), but you can see some broad trends. Enjoy!

http://kimballtrombone.com/2016/05/08/trombone-art-european-churches-pre-1800/
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2016, 08:28AM »

If anybody knows of others that aren't included here, let me know. I would love to be as comprehensive as possible. As I said, I have a grant in the works, but there's nothing like extra sets of eyes!
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2016, 10:33AM »

Just a thought - if you lugged all the same locations into a Google MyMaps, you could then embed that map into your site and people would be able to click on all the locations individually to get more information!
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2016, 12:56PM »

Thanks. Really good thought. I appreciate that. That's actually what I have it in right now, but I'm only posting a screen shot of the map because I'm not sure all the street addresses to these churches are 100% accurate. I know the church name and city are right, but I don't want to lead anyone astray on street addresses until I can do more verifying.
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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2016, 10:51AM »

That is certainly a fair point that I had not considered. If an address cannot be confirmed you could always make a note in the data field for that location, so anyone who clicks on it would see that the location may not be correct. I knew that the trombone was rare in sacred iconography of the UK, but I did not realize that no examples were known of pre-1800. I wonder how many there are yet to be tracked down in that area.
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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2016, 01:34PM »

Good idea. Thanks, I may do that.

I have wondered about UK myself. I may address that in a related post; the city with the highest amount of traffic on my site is consistently London, so there is probably plenty of interest in the subject!

There are two images from the UK that I could have included but decided not to. Incidentally, they are both windows. One is in St. Helen's church in Denton, England. The window dates from 1700, but I didn't include it because it was a copy of a much earlier image. It's the bottom image in this post: http://kimballtrombone.com/2010/06/15/st-cecilia-trombone-image-takes-many-forms/
The other is a really beautiful window in St. Michael's church in Booton, Norfolk, England. I didn't include it in the map because it dates from 1891 and is thus outside the date range. You can see it here (it's the very bottom image): http://hubpages.com/entertainment/Angel-Trombonists-Throughout-History

But that does seem scant, compared to other regions.
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2016, 02:27PM »

thanks Will, very interesting, I linked your site in my blog  Good!
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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2016, 03:26PM »

Thanks. Is this your blog? http://bixibigband.com
I'd be happy to link to it on my site.
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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2016, 03:33PM »

Thanks. Is this your blog? http://bixibigband.com
I'd be happy to link to it on my site.
oops sorry, that is my band
this one is the blog
http://trombonietrombonisti.blogspot.it/
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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2016, 06:17PM »

 Good!
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2016, 09:58PM »

Here's another iconography post, a print by Jean Le Pautre (France, 1667): http://kimballtrombone.com/2016/05/13/trombone-french-baroque-print/

A couple of items of note:
1) The sacred (Biblical) reference
2) An additional trombone image by the same artist (see 1654)--http://kimballtrombone.com/trombone-history-timeline/trombone-history-17th-century-second-half/
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2016, 04:30AM »

...but I'm only posting a screen shot of the map because I'm not sure all the street addresses to these churches are 100% accurate...
if you need help for accurate addresses in the city of Rome tell me the churches  Good!
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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2016, 07:08AM »

 Good!
Thanks. I think Google maps is actually pretty good with addresses in Rome. It's some of the more obscure places that bring up street addresses that seem suspect.
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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2016, 10:52AM »

Someday when you have located every trombone image in history it would be interesting to create an animated map that shows the incidents popping up as the years click by.
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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2016, 11:28AM »

I love it! We can always dream.
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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2016, 11:53AM »

Here's the latest. This one will be going on the map in the ever-crowded northern Italy region. http://kimballtrombone.com/2016/05/13/another-northern-italian-trombone/

The image is a little unusual. It almost appears that the trombone player is trying to get away!
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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2016, 12:36PM »

I don't know if he's running away or climbing up on the cloud.  Either way, the trombone is in danger of being damaged. ;-)
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« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2016, 03:00PM »

Yes, definitely. And does it not look like the trombonist is missing his wings?
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« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2016, 03:08PM »

Yup.  That must be why he's busy climbing :)
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2016, 09:56AM »

Changing gears. Here's one depicting trombone as part of a trio at a country dance in 19C France: http://kimballtrombone.com/2016/05/16/trombone-19c-dance/

You can also see it in the context of numerous trombone dance images in this post: http://kimballtrombone.com/2016/03/02/trombone-and-the-dance/
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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2016, 10:23AM »

Changing gears. Here's one depicting trombone as part of a trio at a country dance in 19C France: http://kimballtrombone.com/2016/05/16/trombone-19c-dance/

You can also see it in the context of numerous trombone dance images in this post: http://kimballtrombone.com/2016/03/02/trombone-and-the-dance/

Yeah!  Why did Beethoven put that part in the 2nd Bassoon in his Pastoral Symphony?  It really belongs to the bass trombone! ;-)
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2016, 10:49AM »

 Good!
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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2016, 11:06AM »

A couple of years ago I directed a university study abroad program in Vienna. Here's an image a student of mine found during a visit to Salzburg's DomQuartier. If it is a trombone (and I think it probably is), the slide appears to be submerged in a cloud...  http://kimballtrombone.com/2016/05/18/trombone-baroque-austria/


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« Reply #23 on: Jun 21, 2016, 08:28AM »

Here are 3 very similar portraits of the Distin Family Brass Quintet, the famous 19th century ensemble, before they moved away from using trombone: http://kimballtrombone.com/2016/06/20/distin-family-brass-quintet/
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« Reply #24 on: Apr 07, 2017, 01:16PM »

More trombone iconography. Here are 15 additional trombone images. They center around the role of the trombone in sacred music and trombone in mythological/allegorical settings. You will also notice the common coupling of trombone with cornetto.
http://kimballtrombone.com/2017/04/06/14703/
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« Reply #25 on: Apr 11, 2017, 08:27AM »

Thanks to the suggestions by some on this forum, I've added this interactive Google map on trombone iconography to the website. 280 images plotted by location and color-coded by century. Click on an individual pin for more information and to view that image. Enjoy!
http://kimballtrombone.com/iconography/interactive-map-trombone-art-europe-pre-1800/
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