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« on: May 27, 2016, 11:22PM »

Anyone have some stories of getting burned on a deal? Obviously, it's easier to get ripped off over the internet, but physical deals count too. Also, what are some great "red flags" of a scam that you've learned amongst your trading or buying endeavors?
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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2016, 06:38AM »

The "I'm in Jamaica buying this for my sick brother" is a frequent scam. Any deal whete the money is not straight forward or involves something odd like refunding a large money order. If you deal with people who have just joined or have very low post count,  you need to be extra careful -  not rude,  just careful.

I've heard a couple stories of people getting actually scammed here on the forum , but they are reare. I've been buying and selling horns for the past couple of years and the worst I've had was a horn that got damaged in transit.  Most folks here are pretty honest.

You can research people on here to make sure that they have a real interest in the instrument and that they have a positive history on the forum. I've made dozens of deals with only two bad experiences, one for $40 someone sold me a cracked lexan rim,  and then the damaged horn.

Now if I have any doubt about someone's experience shipping horns,  I give them some pointers. Anyway good luck.
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2016, 08:12AM »

I've only been burned twice in many years of buying and selling online.  Unfortunately one of those situations was here on the Forum.  I paid for an Edwards lead pipe and it never arrived.  The seller quit communicating with me so I'm out $50.  Buyer beware!
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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2016, 09:19AM »

The "I'm in Jamaica buying this for my sick brother" is a frequent scam. Any deal whete the money is not straight forward or involves something odd like refunding a large money order. If you deal with people who have just joined or have very low post count,  you need to be extra careful -  not rude,  just careful.

I've heard a couple stories of people getting actually scammed here on the forum , but they are reare. I've been buying and selling horns for the past couple of years and the worst I've had was a horn that got damaged in transit.  Most folks here are pretty honest.

You can research people on here to make sure that they have a real interest in the instrument and that they have a positive history on the forum. I've made dozens of deals with only two bad experiences, one for $40 someone sold me a cracked lexan rim,  and then the damaged horn.

Now if I have any doubt about someone's experience shipping horns,  I give them some pointers. Anyway good luck.
Hmm, interesting. Ood to know most TTF members are honest. Good idea with investigating the "motive" for them to have your horn. Yeah, I always stay away from sales that don't have direst money involved. Do scammers get banned if they're reported to an admin or mod?
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2016, 09:36AM »



As far as I know, all the wind musicians on this gig got ripped off. I was asked to play alto on the concert three separate times and the first time the point of contact immediately started saying he couldn't pay unless I had a Korean work visa, so I said "No thanks".

The second time was from a colleague asking about the same gig. When I told him about the pay problems he admitted that he had never been paid by this director for any past work and he didn't know why he was trying to help him.

The third time was from the director offering more money. Same gig.

Three of my colleagues played on this. Three of my colleagues are out twenty hours of work and didn't get paid.  I'll be sure to update if that ever changes. Very sketch.
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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2016, 06:02PM »

The worst i have had wasn't really a burn just a minor annoyance.
A fellow forum member put up an ad wanting to do a trade for a mouthpiece they no longer wanted. I was interested and sent a short list of spare pieces i thought they might be interested in trading for. They got back to me saying they wanted to do a direct swap for one Of the pieces i had listed. We agreed to just pay for our own postage at each end.
I received the piece they had sent first with no issue and was very happy with it. Shortly after i received it i got an odd email from the sender saying my mouthpiece had arrived in their country but their post office was asking them to pay to pick it up. They implied this was my fault and had said they refused delivery on the mouthpiece. Because of this they were asking me for money for the one they sent me.

After a few confused back and forth emails i discovered the Issue was that his country had asked him to pay some kind of import tax. I explained this was in no way my fault but when the mouthpiece he had refused delivery returned to me i would re send it to him and undervalue it on the forms so they would not have to deal with whatever payment they were complaining about. This person refused and again asked me to pay for the mouthpiece they had sent me.
I explained i would not send any money until the mouthpiece i had sent to this person arrived back at my house.

Shortly after, I saw this person make a post here to someone else saying they had had an opportunity to try the model of mouthpiece i had sent them and were not interested in that model.

It took months but my mouthpiece arrived back safely, and i did pay this person an agreed price fir the one they sent me. Definitely not a terrible situation, could have been MUCH worse but still irritating, was not expecting to pay money for this deal. I suspect this person tried the mouthpiece i sent decided it wasn't for them and thought they would try get money from me instead. I don't know for sure if that is what happened but i suspect so.
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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2016, 06:05PM »

How about the one where the guy was selling some trombone or mouthpiece, I forget, and another forum member responded with, "hey! I'm still waiting for you to pay me for that before you go selling it!"

Crazy, man.
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2016, 07:24PM »

Never been burned to the degree that I paid for something that never arrived, but I've been pretty disappointed in what did show up several times.
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2016, 08:18PM »

The only negative experience I've had in nearly 20 years involves a Shires double valve section. I had a few problems with the main tuning slide jamming and it turned out that one end had been cut. I asked the seller about it and he said he had never noticed it. I lived with it until recently when I bought a replacement tuning slide.

Not bad for 20 years.
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2016, 08:26PM »

Sounds like people on TTF are generally reputable.
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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2016, 02:00AM »

Been burned a few times. One time was through the classifieds here. Won't mention any names as he is a VIP on the forum........
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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2016, 03:35AM »

Been burned a few times. One time was through the classifieds here. Won't mention any names as he is a VIP on the forum........

Oh go on, tell us...
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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2016, 07:29AM »

come on then Duff - who that be?

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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2016, 08:05AM »

If someone burns others on sales/buys... dropping his/her name is fair play, AFAIC. 
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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2016, 09:57AM »

If someone burns others on sales/buys... dropping his/her name is fair play, AFAIC. 

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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2016, 10:15AM »

And whoever it is can put his side of it, if he wishes.
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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2016, 12:43PM »

I'd be interested to hear as well...
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« Reply #17 on: Jun 18, 2016, 12:44PM »

Not yet but I've recently bought two bones sight unseen, should have one early next week.  I'll let you know.
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« Reply #18 on: Jun 18, 2016, 02:37PM »

Alright. Hope you get a good product.
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« Reply #19 on: Jun 18, 2016, 04:02PM »

Not yet but I've recently bought two bones sight unseen, should have one early next week.  I'll let you know.

Two?  I've been out of the loop...
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