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Question: Where do we play or what do we do with our trombone?
No where, just got a trombone
School band
High school band/ensemble
Music/trombone education
Community band/orchestra
Professional freelance
Professional band/orchestra/ensemble
Music teacher
Soloist fulltime
Parents to a little trombone player
Dont play trombone, just interested

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« on: Jun 30, 2016, 04:07PM »

Ok, I have learned how to use the poll options here in the forum... Amazed

Some play in many places of course, then answer what you consider is your main axe. I play a lot in many places but my main thing is to be a music teacher. But it seems to me I can not vote?

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« Reply #1 on: Jun 30, 2016, 04:55PM »

It should be an interesting result.

However, I feel there is one important slot missing: That of Semi Professional Freelance.
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 30, 2016, 06:40PM »

Agree with the semi-pro.  Also, under community band would be interesting to break that down to traditional band, jazz band, orchestra and pit band. 

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« Reply #3 on: Jun 30, 2016, 06:45PM »

Even C. Lindberg could no longer click the "Soloist Full-Time" button nowadays. That probably will stay at zero.
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« Reply #4 on: Jun 30, 2016, 07:12PM »

Perhaps the poll should allow multiple answers since many people do several of the choices and that would serve the semi-professional freelanceers.

Unless by "semi-professional" you mean you are trading it for non-monetary considerations.
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« Reply #5 on: Jun 30, 2016, 07:46PM »

Yeah, multiple choices would be nice.  Of the choices left out was semi-pro, which a lot of us must have done, as well as education assistance, which I did at several points in my life.

Is there really such a thing as a full-time soloist?  Even C.L. did other things all along.
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« Reply #6 on: Jun 30, 2016, 08:08PM »

From about 1988 to 1997 he did nothing but tour as a soloist. His arrangements he did were only for himself. He started composing in 97 and conductingis his main job nowadays.
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« Reply #7 on: Jun 30, 2016, 09:24PM »

Multiple choices would lose track of the number of people voting, and without that there's no perspective.
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« Reply #8 on: Jun 30, 2016, 11:59PM »

Tough question for even the answers available, multiple or single.

A lot of semi-pros around here are in big bands, not that the money is great, but it keeps me in slide lube, some lessons and covers gas. I even bought a mute once.  :D

But I also play in a community band, help in a pro show occasionally, seek out subs in band/orchestra/big bands to play bass bone.
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 01, 2016, 04:10AM »

I could have picked any of the three leading categories, although calling the paid bands I play in, or get calls for, "professional" is a bit of a stretch. It's not that the folks playing in them do not meet "professional" standards, many of them are very competent and dedicated musicians ( I would still consider myself to be an "aspiring" pro). But, nobody in any of them is paying their bills with the little bits of money those bands generate. So, maybe "semi-pro" would be a better categorization.
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« Reply #10 on: Jul 01, 2016, 04:40AM »

I'm surprised there are so few music teachers/ music educators thus far. Seems like half of the good musicians I know IRL would be in that category.
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 01, 2016, 05:00AM »

Local rawk band (trumpet, trombone)
 
Sometimes small ensembles (tenor)
 
Occasionally the local wind symphony (bass, euphonium, tenor)
 
Once, the local symphony orchestra (bass)
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 01, 2016, 05:37AM »

I mostly play for fun, but sometimes I get paid, so what does that make me?  Just curious as to how someone like me is regarded by other players.
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« Reply #13 on: Jul 01, 2016, 05:58AM »

I mostly play for fun, but sometimes I get paid, so what does that make me?  Just curious as to how someone like me is regarded by other players.

I've played your music.  You are a professional composer.
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« Reply #14 on: Jul 01, 2016, 06:24AM »

I've played your music.  You are a professional composer.
True, but what kind of trombone player am I?  I guess I would call myselt 1% professional or something like that.  Yeah, RIGHT.
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« Reply #15 on: Jul 01, 2016, 06:42AM »

Multiple Answers can correctly calculate the percentage for each choice if it divides the number of people selecting a choice by the number of people responding to the survey.

I don't know if our poll engine does that but that would be the correct behavior.


Percentages won't add up to 100, but we don't expect them to if multiple answers are permitted.
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« Reply #16 on: Jul 01, 2016, 06:45AM »

Today I could vote! Most of us do many things but Doug explained very well why I made the poll this way. Put what we feel is our main use of our trombone. Semi pro is not in my vocabulary. Either we are pro or not. I get paid sometimes but I'm not on a level to play in any pro ensemble around. So that's not making me a pro.

Everyone have to feel bye them self what is your daily or main use of our trombone. Or definition of words. Its always subjective. But i dont think every paid use of trombone make us per definition professional. I voted teacher for me because that's the main thing i do. I teach kids to play brass instruments. Composer are not an option since this is a trombone forum. But there is an options for composers or other aspects of music business that are interested in trombone.

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« Reply #17 on: Jul 01, 2016, 07:07AM »

I put "freelance" because that's where the plurality of my income comes from.

But I also teach arranging and composition in the jazz program at UCO... i put just as much effort into researching and preparing for that class as I do anything else, so I hope I can be considered an educator as well. I'm still new at it (4 years teaching in a college so far) and I find it to be the most challenging thing I've done so far with my life.

Most years composing and arranging is responsible for about a third of my income - things have slowed down this summer. I'm still writing ever day, and since the work has dried up I can focus on my own stuff with my big band.


No one musician (save the 1/10th of 1%) can make their income from one source anymore... it's the new economy, we've just been operating this way for a while.
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« Reply #18 on: Jul 01, 2016, 07:53AM »



Exactly Exzaclee, you should put freelance if that's what your main use or life with your trombone. I also write, arrange, conduct, play in school bands as a support, I carry speakers and help with PA. Play school concerts, play in church, play in community bands, even some very few professional orchestras. God knows what I dont do. But I cant play in the main big orchestras or bands. Nearly all professional player I know teach, but I think their main trombone life is professional playing even if their income is bigger in teaching. I dont see income as a main factor for professionalism.

Robert, I think Doug explained my intention. We all do lot of things, but the interesting thing is our main axe. If we should find the prosent use I believe practice would be the highest prosent.

No one in fulltime soloist yet?  Amazed :D :D I suspect it will be empty forever   :) All you young players....stop reading right now and go practice.....maybe one day..... Good!

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« Reply #19 on: Jul 01, 2016, 08:02AM »

True, but what kind of trombone player am I?  I guess I would call myselt 1% professional or something like that.  Yeah, RIGHT.

I've never had the opportunity to play with you, although I met you briefly when you came to Hollis NH.
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