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Question: I identify as...
non-white - 12 (10.8%)
female - 7 (6.3%)
LGBTQ - 8 (7.2%)
differently-abled - 7 (6.3%)
non-native-English-speaking - 14 (12.6%)
none of the above - 63 (56.8%)
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« on: Jul 05, 2016, 08:36PM »

Leif (savio) has been posting a lot of polls lately. I'm inspired! I'm jumping on the bandwagon! I'm curious. Who are we?
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 05, 2016, 08:40PM »

Before voting, is having 5% hearing in one ear and 60% in the other, combined it 10% sight in one eye and 60% in the other considered 'differently-abled'?
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« Reply #2 on: Jul 05, 2016, 09:05PM »

Before voting, is having 5% hearing in one ear and 60% in the other, combined it 10% sight in one eye and 60% in the other considered 'differently-abled'?

I'll note that the Americans with Disabilities Act says:

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The ADA defines a person with a disability as a person who has a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activity.

If that fits...
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« Reply #3 on: Jul 05, 2016, 09:19PM »

My dad's side came from Iraq and my mum side from Ireland.  My English is good  though I prefer to speak Arabic when I'm with friends and family.  I also have Autism Spectrum Disorder which my difficulty is speaking properly to others and socialising issues.  Also I admit I could be Bisexual.
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« Reply #4 on: Jul 05, 2016, 09:31PM »

I am definitely differently-abled when it comes to trombone playing. Most others can only hope...

What is up with the choices in this poll? You ask: "who are we?" and then give a bunch of outlier choices? "Female" would have made sense if the other, opposite choices were available. This poll does not care about who is on the forum, just who fits the very specific choices you selected.

I'm Ukrainian / French / Irish / all American, male, straight, monogamous, and obviously not a part of the diversity enough to warrant anything other than "not worth caring about / none of the above"

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I'm personally hurt that I couldn't check enough boxes to select "Xenomorph-Giraffe hybrid, pan-sexual with floraphiliac tendencies, inversely disabled Lovecraftian etherbeing"  I had to pick "none of the above" even when I decided to be that....
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 05, 2016, 10:15PM »

A strange choice of diversities, if indeed any of them are related to trombone playing, or belonging to a forum. For instance, how is being female diverse on TTF?
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« Reply #6 on: Jul 06, 2016, 04:11AM »

How does one decide what's "diverse" and what isn't? Damned if I know. I used the Philly Improv Theater's criteria for diversity scholarships as a starting point, because why not. It's simple and to-the-point:

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persons of color, women, persons 40 years of age or older, members of the LGBTQ community, differently-abled persons, and active duty U.S. military service members and U.S. military veterans

But improv classes aren't a music forum, obviously. Maybe I should've included age and military members, but I don't see a shortage of those around here. Could be in my head, though.

Included the English-speaking thing 'cos Leif was feeling put out about his linguistic skills a while back, seemed relevant.

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Before voting, is having 5% hearing in one ear and 60% in the other, combined it 10% sight in one eye and 60% in the other considered 'differently-abled'?

I'm gonna go with Rob here. If it substantially limits one or more major life activity...

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I am definitely differently-abled when it comes to trombone playing. Most others can only hope...

What is up with the choices in this poll? You ask: "who are we?" and then give a bunch of outlier choices? "Female" would have made sense if the other, opposite choices were available. This poll does not care about who is on the forum, just who fits the very specific choices you selected.

I'm Ukrainian / French / Irish / all American, male, straight, monogamous, and obviously not a part of the diversity enough to warrant anything other than "not worth caring about / none of the above"

:(

I'm personally hurt that I couldn't check enough boxes to select "Xenomorph-Giraffe hybrid, pan-sexual with floraphiliac tendencies, inversely disabled Lovecraftian etherbeing"  I had to pick "none of the above" even when I decided to be that....

I figured for a Xenomorph-Giraffe hybrid, pan-sexual with floraphiliac tendencies, inversely disabled Lovecraftian etherbeing, you'd explain yourself in the comments. I'm glad you did!

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A strange choice of diversities, if indeed any of them are related to trombone playing, or belonging to a forum. For instance, how is being female diverse on TTF?

Seems to me like maybe 3% of the posters here are female. That's also pretty close to the percentage of female trombone players I know. Could be in my head, though. Hence the poll!
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 06, 2016, 04:15AM »

Seems to me like maybe 3% of the posters here are female. That's also pretty close to the percentage of female trombone players I know. Could be in my head, though. Hence the poll!

Well the poll says 0.00%, so you're definitely wrong about these so-called and fabled "female trombonists". Next thing you'll be telling us that man has walked on the moon!  Idea!
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 06, 2016, 04:20AM »

Hey, I can contribute to the diversity..
Both female and English is not my native language!  :)
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 06, 2016, 05:27AM »

I'm gonna go with Rob here. If it substantially limits one or more major life activity...

Well they are limiting, but I don't feel that they are substantially limiting, so I'll go with 'none of the above'.
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« Reply #10 on: Jul 06, 2016, 06:47AM »

I am disabled because of consequences of two falls.  I can't stand to honor the conductor and I need assistance to walk.  But other than that, I can still play (subject to my current broken ribs, which will heal).

I do find trombone players seem to be more of the oddball folks who wind up playing this instrument because nobody else seems to want to -- then we fall in love with it.
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 06, 2016, 07:09AM »

I usually enjoy the polls as they relate to trombone playing, but this one is just fishing for something...not sure what.
Do we now have to have so many of this and so many of that on the forum?   
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 06, 2016, 07:13AM »

I usually enjoy the polls as they relate to trombone playing, but this one is just fishing for something...not sure what.
Do we now have to have so many of this and so many of that on the forum?   

I read it differently.  I have been hoping that not all the TTF posters are white guys like me. 
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« Reply #13 on: Jul 06, 2016, 07:40AM »

Hispanic, Spanish-speaking bisexual guy :)
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« Reply #14 on: Jul 06, 2016, 08:38AM »

I read it differently.  I have been hoping that not all the TTF posters are white guys like me. 

What's wrong with white dudes? My history book is all about them and for the most part they seem OK unless you have something they want.

Seriously, there should be a true discussion on diversity between the members of this forum. I learned in Latin class that for a few hundred years in the Roman Empire it didn't matter where you came from or what race you were so long as you were Roman, and all you had to do to be Roman was act like a Roman and live within Rome's borders. Considering the time period, Rome did all right besides a lot of women's rights issues. Most of the people who flocked to Rome did so because they wanted to be joiners (or were freed and realized that Rome was still better than their previous cesspool), and didn't want to be different. There were latin, spanish, celtic and african emperors who ruled Rome and considered themselves Roman. Talk about diversity.

Today it's like a badge of honor to show off and parade social differences in order for people to feel important. To me, this is rude. Really rude. It's gotten to the point where people who were born unquestionably as either biologically men or women demand their own bathroom because they decided the one they've used their entire lives doesn't suit their own opinion of biological gender any more. That's not a social problem. That's a case of someone who's got nothing better to do than worry about themselves and think about their own ego all day.

Whatever happened to fitting in? Remember high school? That's what high school revolved around. Humans are wired to want to fit into a society. Fighting that after a certain point is kind of dumb.

We should be moving towards a reduced emphasis on these social diversities that we keep trying to categorize.

What gender are you? "Well, unless I'm blind, that's pretty easy to answer. If you want to make it a difficult question to answer -- who cares? What skills do you have and what will you accomplish in your life? That's all that I care about once you bring doubt up about your gender because at that point there is no interaction that involves gender that will happen between me and you, and I still value you as a human being."

What is your sexual orientation? "Really, no one cares, besides potential mates. Besides however many mates you get down with, nobody gives a damn unless you make it an issue, which is rude."

What race are you? "Unless you are really in the boonies or dealing with bigots who only see race and discriminate, this question is actually 'what race-stereotype social norms do you follow, and how committed to pideonholing yourself into a race are you?' If you only hang out with people who are the same race as you and share social norms based on race with that group of friends you'll be socially a very different person from someone of any race who chooses to associate with a racially diverse group of friends that share common social-norms. This is that part where I think Rome had it right. A country full of a diverse population of people trying desperately to be Roman is a lot better than a country full of segregated groups of people trying to stick to their roots to the exclusion of their society as a whole."

Are you disabled? "This is actually a question that matters, especially if the disability is not obvious. Some disabled people like to be defined by their disability and how they have overcome it, but this is no different from challenges that all people are proud of overcoming. I know that a lot of disabled people are a lot happier to just fit in and to have their disability just be something that is not a big deal. I went to high school with a deaf girl. After kids realized that her unique accent didn't have any correlation with the very normal and well-adjusted stuff she was actually saying and that she was really good at reading lips, it was a non-issue. Way better that way, especially since she was not in any way lacking friends and interested boys. And ironically, the one social issue where I think it's critical that everybody pitch in to provide equal opportunity, namely affording disabled citizens who have been dealt a tough hand every opportunity to contribute to and be a valuable part of their society, is trumped in the news by dumb issues like bathrooms and safe spaces. People born or befallen with actual disabling conditions get less attention than people who logic their way into a not disabling condition..."

Am I nuts for dreaming of a society where people stop feeling sorry for themselves and just try to be a good member of that society without regards to the meaninglessness of diversity? I think getting hung up on it holds us back. Let's get unisex bathrooms, remind our friends that making a big deal about sex like it's a social movement is still rude and no one cares about what they do in private, and work on acheiving the type of society portrayed in sesame street and star trek rather than the socially segregated reality that we live in today.
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Gesundtheit!!


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« Reply #17 on: Jul 06, 2016, 09:25AM »

Jesus....

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« Reply #18 on: Jul 06, 2016, 09:29AM »

Jesus....



Definitely differently-abled and non-native English speaker.
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« Reply #19 on: Jul 06, 2016, 09:35AM »

Jesus....

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