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« Reply #20 on: Oct 14, 2016, 03:44PM »

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« Reply #21 on: Oct 15, 2016, 03:57PM »

Just underlining the lyric that Zac posted, our Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull also thought it had an applicable message for Australian politicians, particularly those of his own coalition government:

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/turnbull-pays-tribute-to-bob-dylan/news-story/ae4f7f0b5b6daea9882b379a571710c5

Some recent embarrassing events in our Senate account for the rather wry grin he gave when quoting Bob Dylan's lyric.
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« Reply #22 on: Oct 18, 2016, 05:13AM »

According to the legendary highly accurate Yahoo news, Dylan has yet to be reached for comment. He was last seen heading down highway 61.

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« Reply #23 on: Oct 22, 2016, 03:19PM »

According to the legendary highly accurate Yahoo news, Dylan has yet to be reached for comment. He was last seen heading down highway 61.

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Still little reaction from Dylan and this is now upsetting the Swedish Academy:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-23/bob-dylan-slammed-for-nobel-prize-silence/7957578
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« Reply #24 on: Oct 23, 2016, 01:57AM »

Perhaps, like many of the rest of us, he simply has no idea what to make of the award...
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« Reply #25 on: Oct 24, 2016, 02:45PM »

Maybe the problem is that he does not think the $900,000 prize money is a big enough fee for the lecture (or concert) he must deliver within six months of receiving the award. Other than his excellent music, Bob Dylan was never known as a great communicator. You only have to think back to his behaviour when he got the Presidential Medal of Freedom from Barack Obama. Yeah, RIGHT.
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« Reply #26 on: Oct 24, 2016, 02:53PM »

According to the legendary highly accurate Yahoo news, Dylan has yet to be reached for comment. He was last seen heading down highway 61.

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« Reply #27 on: Oct 24, 2016, 03:08PM »

Someone had to...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfTlGMCeuDE
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« Reply #28 on: Oct 25, 2016, 07:21PM »

While I've always appreciated and admired Dylan as a clever and talented lyricist who spoke strongly to his generation, I've also always felt that the songs of musicians like Leonard Cohen, Ramblin' Jack Elliott, and John Prine were more qualified as great American literature per se.

At least from my American, post-Boomer,Gen-X, B.A. in Literature perspective...

But then again, it's not an American prize, now is it?

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« Reply #29 on: Oct 25, 2016, 09:26PM »

While I've always appreciated and admired Dylan as a clever and talented lyricist who spoke strongly to his generation, I've also always felt that the songs of musicians like Leonard Cohen, Ramblin' Jack Elliott, and John Prine were more qualified as great American literature per se.

At least from my American, post-Boomer,Gen-X, B.A. in Literature perspective...

But then again, it's not an American prize, now is it?

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I agree with you entirely, which is why I thought it was notable that the committee had finally chosen a lyric writer per se. Of course, Dylan lyrics tend to be more a social commentary, whilst the others are often writing about lovey-dovey topics.

I guess one sign of the admiration for lyric writers is that their name is usually listed first in the credits. 
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« Reply #30 on: Oct 26, 2016, 05:08AM »

I agree with you entirely, which is why I thought it was notable that the committee had finally chosen a lyric writer per se. Of course, Dylan lyrics tend to be more a social commentary, whilst the others are often writing about lovey-dovey topics.

I guess one sign of the admiration for lyric writers is that their name is usually listed first in the credits. 

Maybe Robert is making a social commentary. It would fit the mold of a rapper. A rapper? Yep. That's how some of us referred to him back in the 60's, when he was putting out his fast-paced lyrical songs. We would say, "Let's go put on Highway 61 and listen to Dylan rap". Then we would all get in an, er, altertered mood and rap to each other all night. Of course, we meant that back then as talking non-stop. But set to music, today it is now accepted as the art form of rapping. Gee, I wonder where they got THAT from. lol

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« Reply #31 on: Oct 26, 2016, 10:01AM »

An interesting and IMO spot-on perspective: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/26/opinion/the-meaning-of-bob-dylans-silence.html?ref=opinion

"The Nobel Prize is in fact the ultimate example of bad faith: A small group of Swedish critics pretend to be the voice of God, and the public pretends that the Nobel winner is Literature incarnate. All this pretending is the opposite of the true spirit of literature, which lives only in personal encounters between reader and writer. Mr. Dylan may yet accept the prize, but so far, his refusal to accept the authority of the Swedish Academy has been a wonderful demonstration of what real artistic and philosophical freedom looks like."

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« Reply #32 on: Oct 26, 2016, 10:18AM »

While I've always appreciated and admired Dylan as a clever and talented lyricist who spoke strongly to his generation, I've also always felt that the songs of musicians like Leonard Cohen, Ramblin' Jack Elliott, and John Prine were more qualified as great American literature per se.

At least from my American, post-Boomer,Gen-X, B.A. in Literature perspective...

But then again, it's not an American prize, now is it?

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I'm a huge folk music and early country music fan, and I've admired all of these performers you've listed, I would have to disagree with you that Rambin' Jack Elliott was a better more deserving lyricist than Dylan.  Cohen and Prine are in his league, but I don't see Jack Elliott as being in that category, could you site some specific songs that warrant putting him in the same class as a lyricist as Dylan, perhaps I'm missing something.  Most of my favorite Jack Elliott songs were actually written by others (including Dylan). 
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« Reply #33 on: Oct 26, 2016, 11:12AM »

I was hoping that if the award went to a musician it would have gone to James Brown, powerful lyrics and a great use of interjections.  Who can forget “Ain’t it funky”, “We need some head”, and “Take it to the bridge”.

Of course "Celebrity Hot Tub" takes the cake and captured the essence of JB

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One two three four!

Hot tub! Ha! Da!
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« Reply #34 on: Oct 26, 2016, 11:56AM »

... Leonard Cohen ... great American literature per se.

Wouldn't that be great Canadian literature?
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« Reply #35 on: Oct 26, 2016, 01:38PM »

Wouldn't that be great Canadian literature?

Oops!

Absolutely Canadian.

Borders tend to blur after a few evening drinks...

I was hoping that if the award went to a musician it would have gone to James Brown, powerful lyrics and a great use of interjections.  Who can forget “Ain’t it funky”, “We need some head”, and “Take it to the bridge”.

"Funky Drummer" from Jungle Groove is one of my favorites:

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« Reply #36 on: Oct 26, 2016, 01:50PM »

I'm a huge folk music and early country music fan, and I've admired all of these performers you've listed, I would have to disagree with you that Rambin' Jack Elliott was a better more deserving lyricist than Dylan.  Cohen and Prine are in his league, but I don't see Jack Elliott as being in that category, could you site some specific songs that warrant putting him in the same class as a lyricist as Dylan, perhaps I'm missing something.  Most of my favorite Jack Elliott songs were actually written by others (including Dylan). 

Yeah you're right on this. Again, written a few drinks in. I find Jack to be a compelling storyteller, but his body of work doesn't approach Dylan's.

I guess the real disappointment for me is that great American writers like Philip Roth and Cormac McCarthy get passed over year after year.

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« Reply #37 on: Oct 26, 2016, 03:24PM »

The Nobel committee doesn't go by nationality so a Canadian can win the prize as much as an American.

Wonder if Dylan will do a George C. Scott.
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« Reply #38 on: Oct 28, 2016, 10:56PM »

Heard on the Beeb: Dylan has checked in and says he is flabbergasted but honored.  Maybe it took this long for him to come down from the drug high? Evil
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« Reply #39 on: Oct 29, 2016, 04:55AM »

According to Yahoo news this morning, ""The news about the Nobel Prize left me speechless," Dylan told Danius, according to a statement posted Friday on the academy's website. "I appreciate the honor so much.""

"Speechless". lol Fitting word for a Nobel Prize in literature.

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