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« on: Nov 13, 2016, 08:11AM »

!!! WARNING !!!
 
There's a good deal of salty language here--really solid point though, and one that I think really needs to be understood:
 
President Trump: How & Why...
 
But the same script could be tweaked and performed for the right wing. It's about the dogmatists. They'll have to be ignored on both sides to get the momentum going (rather than cultivating their sentiments to produce a dogma base for regular harvesting as has been the case for one of the major parties). I think if we continue to think in binary terms of right and left and fail to make at least that distinction--always defensively/evasively--we'll keep letting the dogmatists set the tone of the discussion and the social climate.
 
Best first step ... ignore the GD dogmatists for a change!
 
Got to get those flailing knees under control.
 
Maybe keep the slogan in mind: It's the dogmatists, stupid!
 
And dogmatism can be cured with patience and self-discipline. They'll try to bait you to protect their sacred cows, but some, maybe many, can learn that a less high maintenance view is far better--far more secure and ideologically peaceful and sound, and just can't really be threatened.
 
The most effective way to radicalize someone (or, to induce someone to resort to violence) is to give them no other means of dealing with a real and serious problem.
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 21, 2016, 05:45AM »

So we're now seeing some of the riper fruits of what I've been on about in here for pretty much as long as I've been in here, and recently, since the rotten, toxic fruit harvest has gone to full scale, it seems many are now suddenly on board with the cause. Now apparently, many are seeing (or maybe finally accepting and facing now that there's really no option) what can happen when deeply depraved thinking builds up a head of steam.
 
Needless to say I'm curious about that. Why only now? Also, the furriners who didn't seem to see this problem until its bite had acquired the power to wound and it had used that power more than just a time or two. Why does it seem so few noticed this developing Frankenstein's Monster until it commenced with the serious pummelings?
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 21, 2016, 08:44AM »

The issues are not the dogmatism that got us here.

The Left objected to the "crowning of Hillary" believing she really didn't deserve it.

Trump comes off as a highly reflective mirror ball -- you see in him what you want to see.  So the Right simply thought they were voting for themselves, even though there were a bunch of different things they thought they were voting for.

Sinclair Lewis' novel "It Can't Happen Here" has finally happened here.
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 21, 2016, 08:56AM »

The issues are not the dogmatism that got us here.
 
The Left objected to the "crowning of Hillary" believing she really didn't deserve it.
 
Trump comes off as a highly reflective mirror ball -- you see in him what you want to see.  So the Right simply thought they were voting for themselves, even though there were a bunch of different things they thought they were voting for.
 
Sinclair Lewis' novel "It Can't Happen Here" has finally happened here.

You're looking at a small grove of saplings here, which is just the latest development even if quite arguably the most striking. I'm talking about the forest.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 21, 2016, 09:22AM »

Quote from: Will Rogers
I am not a member of any organized party I am a Democrat.

Quote from: William Gibson, in the New York Times, "The Road to Oceania", June 2003
Regardless of the number and power of the tools used to extract patterns from information, any sense of meaning depends on context, with interpretation coming along in support of one agenda or another. A world of informational transparency will necessarily be one of deliriously multiple viewpoints, shot through with misinformation, disinformation, conspiracy theories and a quotidian degree of madness. We may be able to see what's going on more quickly, by that doesn't mean we'll agree about it any more readily.

Dogmatism may or may not rest on the existence of a monolithic coherent dogma. If each participant believes that their anecdotal viewpoint reflects an overarching distributed "reality," then it may or may not be fruitful to consider some set of those viewpoints as a consolidated ism.

It may also have to do with the prevalence of confirmation bias and bubblicious echo chambers.

A quasi-plurality of the ones who bothered to vote this time around have chosen, for whatever reasons, a conscience-free BS artist who resembles the love child of President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho and Berzelius Windrip. Buckle up, buckaroos!
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 21, 2016, 10:01AM »

Dogmatism may or may not rest on the existence of a monolithic coherent dogma. If each participant believes that their anecdotal viewpoint reflects an overarching distributed "reality," then it may or may not be fruitful to consider some set of those viewpoints as a consolidated ism.
 
It may also have to do with the prevalence of confirmation bias and bubblicious echo chambers.
 
A quasi-plurality of the ones who bothered to vote this time around have chosen, for whatever reasons, a conscience-free BS artist who resembles the love child of President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho and Berzelius Windrip. Buckle up, buckaroos!

Nice! ... heh.
 
This is why I preach the virtue of empirical self-doubt--internalizing as best we can the practice of subordinating our own sentiments and perceptions on empirical matters to the results of sound scientific and critical thinking processes (i.e. don't believe everything you think). We can't opt out of investing emotionally in anything (besides, that would really suck), but we can make a conscious and deliberate decision regarding in what we invest. We know our best shot at getting it right regarding empirical matters is about the proven methods we've learned that are precisely about curbing our inclination and talent with fooling ourselves (getting in our own way), which I think makes clear both what's wisest to invest in, and why.
 
We'd do well to make our emotional investment regarding empirical matters in the soundest processes of epistemology we've developed--science and proper skepticism/sound critical thinking--because we've learned through these methods that confirmation bias and all sorts of specific perceptual errors and other vagaries are simply functions of the human brain's standard operation. If we care about getting it right rather than falsely affirming the perhaps comforting presumption of the accuracy of our natural perceptual and stimulus processing arrays, we'd damn well better keep our brain in check. If we don't, we will fail ... a lot more than we'll fail if we do our best to exercise self-discipline and the intellectual humility required to prevent ourselves from falling into these many pitfalls inherent to human brain ownership.
 
A brilliant human mind without adequate intellectual humility is just a brilliant deceiver. Smarts are secondary to humility when it comes to functional thinking about the cosmos.
 
Yup.
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