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« on: Nov 26, 2016, 10:36AM »

NYT: How Fake News Goes Viral: A Case Study
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« Reply #1 on: Nov 26, 2016, 11:12AM »

Even worse: there are actual programs that can spread a false story (and even make one up!). 

Just confirms a lot of the stuff we have been discussing in other threads.  People today want to believe what they already suspect and any refutation is automatically discarded.
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 26, 2016, 11:18AM »

Every advance in communication has been heralded as a means to bring us all to greater mutual understanding and acceptance by removing barriers and promoting free communication, but it never works out that way.  :(
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 28, 2016, 06:48AM »

you guys see how CNN got trolled over supposedly showing half an hour of pornography? Other media sites jumped on the reporting bandwagon and CNN even apologized before it was revealed to have been an utter fabrication.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 02, 2016, 05:30AM »

An example of faux nuze not surprising brought to us by Faux Nuze.
 
Facts No Longer Exist[/quote] (the "value" many "values voters" actually revere).
 
For those who are actually interested in vetting your "facts".
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 14, 2016, 02:32PM »

Funny stuff. Four links in this thread come from the Washington Post (3) and the New York Times (1). Both purveyors of the very thing they're cautioning you about.

This sudden recent moral panic about “fake news” was ramped up by a November 24 Washington Post article called “Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html?utm_term=.89c4895ef63d

The Washington Post is a highly esteemed American journalistic institution. Along with achieving notoriety when one of its reporters won a Pulitzer Prize for a completely fakehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Cooke story about an eight-year-old black heroin addict, its reporters were also members of the 2008 “JournoList” cabal that privately colluded to help elect Barack Obama. Proving that it is indeed an objective and trustworthy news outlet rather than a DNC mouthpiece, the Post recently hired twenty reportershttp://www.washingtonexaminer.com/woodward-20-wapo-reporters-dig-dirt-on-trump-every-phase-of-his-life/article/2591021 to dig up dirt on Donald Trump during the presidential campaign and apparently zero reporters to investigate Hillary Clinton.

In their recent attempt at a hard-hitting “fake news” exposé—which The Hillhttp://origin-nyi.thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/media/307886-jeff-bezos-owns-the-washington-post-and-the-journalism-its described as “perhaps the shoddiest piece of feature writing since Rolling Stone published its blatantly false story about a campus rape at the University of Virginia” and which Rolling Stonehttp://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/washington-post-blacklist-story-is-shameful-disgusting-w452543 called “Shameful and Disgusting”—predictably geeky-lookinghttps://images.c-span.org/Files/a8f/304543-m.jpg/Thumbs/height.630.no_border.width.1200.jpg writer Craig Timberg cites an anonymous group calling itself PropOrNot, allegedly comprised of “nonpartisan” researchers who just so happen to have an axe to grind with “muthafuckin’ fascists.” The group has compiled a blacklist of 200 or so websites they accuse of being either actively complicit with, or “useful idiots” of, Russian propagandists. No evidence is offered for how or why any of the content that these sites publish would qualify as Russian propaganda, just as none of PropOrNot’s members are identified or their credentials scrutinized. Still, many other MSM outlets ran with the Post’s story like the dupes they are and were apparently born to be.

The venerable New York Times is also up in arms about the “Threat of Fake News”http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/business/media/medias-next-challenge-overcoming-the-threat-of-fake-news.html that may, as Hillary Clinton suggested, lead to the loss of human lives.

The New York Times is a highly regarded American daily newspaper. While Joseph Stalin was purposely starving millions of Ukrainians to death, a Times reporter won a Pulitzer for denyinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor#Walter_Duranty that it was happening. More recently, the paper was forced to fire a reporter for “routinely”http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/05/10/ny.times.reporter/ fabricating his articles. And during the presidential campaign, a Times scribe wondered out loud about whether reporters should dispense with normal constraints such as “objectivity”http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/business/balance-fairness-and-a-proudly-provocative-presidential-candidate.html when dealing with the Rising Orange Monster Named Donald Trump.

At this late date, anyone who fails to realize that the US government and its media accomplices generate fake news as a matter of course is a dim bulb indeed. The heroic Church Committee of the mid-1970s revealed that the CIA’s Operation Mockingbirdhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird had purposely infiltrated and manipulated hundreds of American media outlets. When Hillary Clinton spoke about “fake news” last week, she encouraged the passage of the 2017 National Defense Authorization Act, which allocates millions in order to “track foreign propaganda and disinformation efforts.”

The American deep state and the media institutions that slavishly prop it up appear to have realized that they no longer have absolute control over the flow of information, and this seems to upset them greatly. All these phony public conniptions about “fake news” are merely a collective case of the vapors among ruling elites alarmed at the fact that they can no longer dictate what everyone thinks.

Sure, there’s plenty of fake news out there, from every deluded fanatic perched at every conceivable ideological angle. But what makes an unregulated Internet great is that if you have even a chipmunk-sized brain, you can sift through multiple sources on any given topic and eventually discern between what’s real and what’s fake.

It would be a great mistake to allow the Powers that Be to erect some new Ministry of Truth that determines what’s true and what’s a lie. I can’t remember the last war they started that wasn’t based on a lie. These lying creeps know all about fake news—they invented the art form.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 15, 2016, 07:36PM »

What happened to the condescending pseudo-intellectual comment that was here the other day?
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 15, 2016, 07:45PM »

Well, you had to go back 49 years to find a false story in the New York Times but we really only need to go back about 4 days to find one on Fox.

Talk about condescending attitudes, you have one also. :-P
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 15, 2016, 09:39PM »

No..........started there ..went to 2003 and 2016.

Sorry......I can't take any of you seriously anymore. I'm out of here.
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 16, 2016, 06:39AM »

Anyone with a chipmonk sized brain can do a quick search and tell if news is fake? Really? By what, searching if other sources are reporting the same thing? In the fake news world, many copy the others... so that will almost immediately return in multiple returns. Just look back to the CNN broadcasting porn instead of anthony bordaine for 30 minutes... It started from a twitter post, was in multiple news sites including the guardian and cnn itself apologized for it... all before it was proven false.

These days, there are so many different sources out there pushing fake news and so few pushing fact checking, it isn't like looking up a rumor on snopes a decade ago. If you search for a fake news story, you will likely get a first page of search results all having their own slightly worded version of the same fake story and nothing yet to say it's fake.

So pray tell, what is the surefire way to simply and easily catch any false news?
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 16, 2016, 07:28AM »

Fake News == CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABS, NBC, NYT, AP, Reuters, MSN, Yahoo, AOL, Google, Wash Post, Media Matters, KOSdaily, Politico, Fakebook, and all their surrogates that report everything they hear from this list.

Now, this new push by Facebook to censor the news of their posters is laughable.

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« Reply #11 on: Dec 16, 2016, 07:38AM »

Fake News == CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABS, NBC, NYT, AP, Reuters, MSN, Yahoo, AOL, Google, Wash Post, Media Matters, KOSdaily, Politico, Fakebook, and all their surrogates that report everything they hear from this list.

Can you share which sources you consider reliable sources of non-fake news?  Are there any?
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 16, 2016, 07:43AM »

Can you share which sources you consider reliable sources of non-fake news?  Are there any?

No, I'm going to keep it a secret. LOL!
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 16, 2016, 07:45AM »

Dan, the only reliable source of news for Dusty is his own head.  If the story doesn't agree with what he wants/thinks, it's false. Evil

Sometimes I think Jakeway goes the same way.
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« Reply #14 on: Dec 16, 2016, 08:02AM »

No, I'm going to keep it a secret. LOL!

No, but really.  That wasn't a LOL question.  What sources do you consider reliable?
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« Reply #15 on: Dec 16, 2016, 10:09AM »

No, but really.  That wasn't a LOL question.  What sources do you consider reliable?

Well, to show some of the sources DD posts around here... WND, The Daily Caller, National Review, American Thinker, etc...

Basically sources that confirm his point of view.
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« Reply #16 on: Dec 16, 2016, 11:19AM »

Dan, the only reliable source of news for Dusty is his own head.  If the story doesn't agree with what he wants/thinks, it's false. Evil

Sometimes I think Jakeway goes the same way.

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« Reply #17 on: Dec 16, 2016, 11:26AM »

I'd prefer to hear what DD has to say, not so much what others have to say about him. If he chooses to say nothing, then that also speaks volumes.
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« Reply #18 on: Dec 16, 2016, 01:40PM »

Dan, I don't expect anyone that is a leftist liberal agree with my choice, but Realclearpolitics has articles from both points of view. I read articles from all the sources that I listed, that is why I can say with confidence that they will support anything the democrats wish. They offered up nothing but opposition research on Trump in the general election, and ignored anything negative towards Hillary, except maybe a few softballs just to make it look even.

There is plenty of evidence out there, like the podesta emails for instance. They showed the collaboration of the media and the democratic party to make sure that Bernie wouldn't win the nomination. You would never know that this collaboration existed if you depended only on the news sources I mentioned.

I'm sure that is why some disgruntled liberals that were strong Bernie supporters leaked the emails to WikiLeaks to begin with. If they sent them to any of the ones I mentioned, the story would have been filed in file 13.

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« Reply #19 on: Dec 16, 2016, 01:49PM »

I really find it hard to believe the Republicans were not doing the same shenanigans (albeit unsuccessfully) against Trump during the Primaries.  After all, he was a registered Democrat  only a couple of years prior.  Of course Putin and the Russians did not need to sink his candidacy, so...
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