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« on: Nov 27, 2016, 01:02AM »

I am searching for orchestral pieces that are rarely performed but have great trombone solos.

Here is an example: "Symphonisches Praeludium" by Mahler or Brucker or Krzyzanowski or Guersching or ???

It is a nice interesting piece that is relatively short (7 minutes) and thus easy to program. It is rarely performed because it has a confusing history due to an almost Kafka-like chain of events: In brief, a manuscript was found in the estate of Krzyzanowski, who studied with Mahler under Bruckner. The manuscript bears Krzyzanowski's name but it attributed by the writer on the last page to Bruckner. A reduction of it without the attribution was given to a friend who suggested that it is an early lost work of Mahler and ask (without knowledge of the original manuscript) Guersching to produce a fully instrumented version (based on a torn up version of the reduction). Only later some conductor figured out that there are now two versions of it but when this guy died without heirs the original manuscript was thrown into the garbage by the city workers cleaning out the apartment. For information, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphonic_Prelude_(Bruckner)

I only know the Guersching version. The first few bars are a little mystic, then it turns quickly a little sentimental and develops further into parts that would make John Williams proud. It anticipates some music from Bruckner's 9th Symphony but then it sounds sometimes like Mahler. It is somewhat a chameleon. But why should we really care who composed it? Good music shouldn't require a name attached to it. The audience will love it. It has very nice almost trombone solos. The trombone is probably the dominant solo instrument in this piece.

A recording of the Guersching version was done by Neeme Jaervi with the Scottish National Orchestra under the title "Symphonisches Praeludium by Gustav Mahler":
https://youtu.be/JiRdgFLEn8M By the way, who knows who is the principal trombone there at that time?

The music including parts for the Guersching version can be procured
from Sikorski:
http://www.sikorski.de/475/de/0/a/0/orchesterwerke/1001016_symphonisches_pr_ludium.html

The partitur and faksimili of the original version can be procured
from Doblinger: (I am not sure whether they got parts.)
https://www.doblinger.at/de/Artikel/Symphonisches-Praeludium.htm
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« Reply #1 on: Nov 27, 2016, 01:16AM »

I think Sibelius' 7th is rarely performed.  Possibly because it's the one Sibelius symphony you have to pay to rent.

I've been agitating for one of my local orchestras to do it.  Even offered to pick up the rental.
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 27, 2016, 04:12AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-pLs_RwP0c

Hindemith Nobilissima Visione (the Ballet NOT the suite)
Huge trombone solo at 32'55"
Great playing by the way!
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 27, 2016, 04:22AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-pLs_RwP0c

Hindemith Nobilissima Visione (the Ballet NOT the suite)
Huge trombone solo at 32'55"
Great playing by the way!

Wow :-0 :-0

Both the quality of playing and themusic itself. ..!
Do You know what orchestra/soloist ?
Anyway thanks for sharing !  Good!

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« Reply #4 on: Nov 27, 2016, 05:06AM »

Wow :-0 :-0

Both the quality of playing and themusic itself. ..!
Do You know what orchestra/soloist ?


It says in the details under the video.

Ko-Ichiro Yamamoto and the Seattle Symphony Orchestra

Really good playing, I agree, and a good recorded trombone sound too.
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 27, 2016, 06:21PM »

Off the top of my head:

Berlioz, Symphonie Funubre Et Triomphale, 2nd movement
Stravinsky, Agon (Ballet)
Shostakovich, The Bolt (bass trombone)
Adams, City Noir
Respighi, Roman Festivals, last movement (not very lesser-known)

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« Reply #6 on: Nov 27, 2016, 06:38PM »

There's an article on this same topic in the recent ITA Journal. Some of the same pieces mentioned, so I won't double down. There's a nice solo in the Kurt Weil- 2nd Symphony. I recently played a piece by Goliov for solo cello (with a solo percussion group). Can't remember the title, but there are nice little solos for the 1st trombone (sort of like short Russian Easter solos - a couple of bars long at a time). On that occasion, our CEO at the time (not a musician) came up to me at a reception after the concert and congratulated me on my "Trumpet playing". No wonder we have trouble getting our literature performed.

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« Reply #7 on: Nov 28, 2016, 03:53AM »

A recording of the Guersching version was done by Neeme Jaervi with the Scottish National Orchestra under the title "Symphonisches Praeludium by Gustav Mahler":
https://youtu.be/JiRdgFLEn8M By the way, who knows who is the principal trombone there at that time?


Lance Green would have been principal for the SNO/Jarvi recordings.  He currently still plays 2nd with the (now) RSNO.  Second would have been Brian Free and bass played by Bob Hughes.

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« Reply #8 on: Nov 28, 2016, 04:26AM »

Seems unlikely that Symphonisches Praeludium is by either Bruckner or Mahler.

Interesting discussion here: http://gustavmahlerboard.com/forum/index.php?topic=1527.0.
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 28, 2016, 11:07AM »

HK Gruber - Frankenstein!!!

I don't know if you're including operatic repertoire, but if so - Abroise Thomas' Hamlet.
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 28, 2016, 11:56AM »

There's a nice chorale that opens the Overture to Verdi's "Nabucco".  Just 3 trombones and Cimbasso (or tuba).  Bet it would work even better with 4 trombones.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 28, 2016, 12:04PM »

There's a nice chorale that opens the Overture to Verdi's "Nabucco".  Just 3 trombones and Cimbasso (or tuba).  Bet it would work even better with 4 trombones.

Quick! Get the lid back on that can of worms!

Shostakovich's 4th and 12th Symphonies don't get played much and have trombone solos.

Malcolm Arnold's Tam O'Shanter Overture is a really good trombone feature.

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« Reply #12 on: Nov 28, 2016, 01:50PM »

Section features were not inquired about, only solos.
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 28, 2016, 11:00PM »

Many thanks for all the suggestions so far. Let's summarize (please feel free to add further). I took the liberty to add links to recordings on Youtube for easy reference.

Sibelius 7. Symphony https://youtu.be/ZOfUYtSXaXI

Hindemith Nobilissima Visione (the Ballet NOT the suite) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-pLs_RwP0c

Berlioz, Symphonie Funubre Et Triomphale, 2nd movement https://youtu.be/BEcSQ8BTlPQ?t=17m34s

Stravinsky, Agon (Ballet) https://youtu.be/CoW3-YcjHsY

Shostakovich, The Bolt (bass trombone) https://youtu.be/IcDL8wauKc0

Adams, City Noir https://youtu.be/l6137doeimU

Respighi, Roman Festivals, last movement (not very lesser-known) https://youtu.be/bIMAicXgZP4

Kurt Weill - 2nd Symphony https://youtu.be/jLKcIHZYPew

H.K. Gruber - Frankenstein https://youtu.be/kW_jD2RK5lA?t=24m04s

Shostakovich - 4th Symphony https://youtu.be/9MjPsYs6b8k

Shostakovich - 12th Symphony https://youtu.be/K_IGkwov3EM

Malcolm Arnold's Tam O'Shanter Overture https://youtu.be/ceWSd1-udgM

Verdi Overture Nabucco https://youtu.be/hIyZNJKu1ik

Abroise Thomas' Hamlet https://youtu.be/P70KBHeDw7U
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« Reply #14 on: Nov 28, 2016, 11:26PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnePcliodSo

Strauss Die Frau ohne Schatten Symphonic fantasy
Trombone solo at 9'13"
Also a great example of traditional German trombone sound
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« Reply #15 on: Nov 28, 2016, 11:39PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnePcliodSo

Strauss Die Frau ohne Schatten Symphonic fantasy
Trombone solo at 9'13"
Also a great example of traditional German trombone sound


Must have been Zeumer or Essbach.
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« Reply #16 on: Nov 28, 2016, 11:44PM »

There's an article on this same topic in the recent ITA Journal. Some of the same pieces mentioned, so I won't double down. There's a nice solo in the Kurt Weil- 2nd Symphony. I recently played a piece by Goliov for solo cello (with a solo percussion group). Can't remember the title, but there are nice little solos for the 1st trombone (sort of like short Russian Easter solos - a couple of bars long at a time). On that occasion, our CEO at the time (not a musician) came up to me at a reception after the concert and congratulated me on my "Trumpet playing". No wonder we have trouble getting our literature performed.

Jim Scott

Thank you. Does someone has a link to the article in the recent ITA Journal? Also posting here is open access while the journal is just for members only. For instance, this makes a difference for college students (who are unlikely to pay for subscriptions/membership) suggesting repertoire to their university orchestra conductors.

The piece by Goliov, was it "Azul" (https://youtu.be/RgCA8zTeFOQ)?
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« Reply #17 on: Nov 29, 2016, 05:20AM »

Stravinsky Pulcinella Suite (and presumably the whole ballet) has a trombone solo that is from the fourth movement of a Sinfonia for 'cello by Pergolesi, which has been transcribed for trombone by Ralph Sauer. The Stravinsky score is for a single trombone, and has lots of nice exposed passages throughout.
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« Reply #18 on: Dec 07, 2016, 11:40PM »

May be not as rare as others in the current list but it should qualify nevertheless:

Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov - Russian Easter Festival Overture Opus 36 https://youtu.be/j4CX4qxnA98
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« Reply #19 on: Dec 24, 2016, 05:18PM »

The low brass moments and brief 1st tenor solo from the 3rd movement of Janacek's Sinfonietta are definitely something to behold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYN8heaRcS8
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